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Tees
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Dear Rootschatters,
I am overwhelmed by this family as I am trying to help my friend out with his mother's family tree which he has much trouble with.
I am trying to find this family:
Michael M Thisse about 1821
Anna Thisse about 1818
Their children:
Catherine 1845
George 1847
Margarch (Margaret) 1849
All were born in Lorraine, France
Marietta 1855
Mary 1857
Anna 1859
Michael 1862
All were born in Croghan, NY
I managed to find the family in 1870 under the surname of Tiss but the wife was a Mary ?? Anna died in 1878--she should be noted as a Anna, no?
I could not find Margaret or her family but came across the Tibbs family with right names and appox years but the foreign birthplace was noted as Switzerland ?? Should I accept this as a correct family?
I eventually found Margaret's father in 1900 and 1910 US Censuses but no sign of him in 1880 or 1860. The surname was Tiss.
Would anyone kind enough to help me in locating this family for me?
Thanks & Gratefully yours,
Tees
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AMBLY
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Hi Tees
I'm sure you have some of this at least....but for reference:
IGI
Michael M THISSE
born abt 1821 Lorraine France - parents Christopher THISSE / THIS and Marie MEYER
died 7 Jul 1911
married: abt 1844 Lorraine France, to:
Anna MOTT
b abt 1818
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nylewis/ststlp.htm
St. Stephen's Cemetery
Town of Croghan. Lewis County, NY
Tiss
Tiss - Anna M. d. April 19, 1878 Age 59 yrs & 1 mo. wife of Michael Tiss (b abt 1819)
Tiss - Susan died March 22, 1891 AE 68 yrs (born abt 1823
Tiss - Nicholas 1837-1905
Tiss - Catherine 1845-1903
Tiss - Willy A. 1870-1934
Tiss - Mary J. 1879-1889
Thisse , Henry M. 1887-1956
Thisse , Adelaide M. 1892-1977
Prentice , Mariette 1853-1933
Prentice , Michael Thisse 1821-1911
The Prentice's are your Michael and his daughter Mariette. Per the IGI she married an Austin PRENTICE and it is likely Michael THISSE is buried in the same grave; perhaps the headstone refers to him as her father, Michael Thisse and the assumption has been made by the Index that his surname was same as hers....?
The Index also indicates his wife Anna M had a birthday in abt March 1878, therefore born abt 1819. The M could be her surname? (MOTT?) or a second name Mary/Maria etc.
I would certainley say the 1860 "TIBBS: family, in Town of Croghan, County Lewis, NY is your THISSE family....... for reference:
1860 Town of Croghan, County Lewis, NY
Michael TIBBS 40, Farmer, b Switz. (1820)
Mary 43, b Switz. (1817),
Cathie 14 , b Switz. (1846)
Margaret 11, b Switz. (1849)
Mary C. 7, b Switz.(1853)
Mary 5 , b NY (1855)
Annah 1, b NY (1859)
George 13 (1847) Switz.
No doubt one of the Mary's is actually Mariette.
Perhaps the enumerator was advised the Place of birth was "Lorraine" and assumed that this was was in Switzerland? Also Lorraine/Alsace-Lorraine etc have French/Swiss and German connections thru History (google). maybe Anna/Mary was Swiss?
1870:Town of Croghan, County Lewis, NY
Michael TISS 48, Farmer, b France
Mary TISS 51, b France
George 23, b NY
Mary 15, b NY
Ann 11, b NY
Michael 8, b NY
I think this is him in 1880: Michael's (written as Michail) surname is written with the old-style double "s", which in this case looks like an "fs" (ie indexed as TIFS)
1880: Town of Croghan, County Lewis, NY
George JAEGER 47, Hotel Keeper, b Wartenburg
Wife: Elizabeth JAEGER 47, Keeps House, b Hesse-Baden
Boarder: Michail TISS 58, Labourer, b France
Also found:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nylewis/beaverfallsoldcem.htm
Town of Croghan - Beaver Falls Old Cemetery
Thisse, Caroline 1861-1932
Thisse, Louisa 1863-1907
Thisse, Michael 1862-1892
Cheers
AMBLY
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Also found this:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NYLEWIS/2001-02/0982812905
Mentions Mr Thisse, in connection with a Mr Nicholas Henry who born in Lorraine and was an early pioneer of Croghan.
You say you can't find (daughter) Margaret and her family? I assume this is yoyr firend's diect ancestor - can we help with that too?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Tees
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Hi Ambly,
Thanks for the additional information!! Now I am trying to figure where the surname Prentice come in the picture??
Wow...will give that link to my friend so he can follow it up as he lives not too far from there (I think).
So, it is the Tibbs. I kind of figured it is them but not sure how to make of the surname as it sounds a bit different from Tiss or Thisse. Must be the enumerator mistranscribe the surname or is it in German form?
Yes, Switzerland may have some connection to Lorraine-Alsce (sp?) due to the historical events.
So I will take this family then since it seems the wife may have a middle name of Mary or Maria or Mott (her maiden name). Thank you for confirming this census finding for me.
Delighted you spotted Michael in 1880 Census. No wonder I could not find him. 
Ambly, I do have Margaret and her family--I was referring to Margaret's family before she got married off. You found her in 1860.
Her husband's family was wrongly mistranscribed on the Ancestry--but I managed to identify it as his. I am amazed by the silly "mistakes" the Ancestry made in its transcription.
Will check both links out to see if we can find out anything about Margaret's husband's parents as they seems to disappeared from the 1880 censuses.
Many, many thanks for your wonderful help!! I am relieved that I won't be overwhelmed by this family no longer.
Gratefully yours,
Tees
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Hi Ambly,
I think I know why it was written as Tibbs. In German, it will be written as Ti(German letter for ss which looks like a capital B)s.
What do you think?
I do not know how to say the surname in French. That probably accounts for Thisse?
Makes any sense?
Regards,
Tees
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Hi Ambly,
Thank you so much for the link to St Stephen's!!
Found two ancestors of his were buried there as well. Sad to know they had such short lives.
Hopefully, my friend is able to get the certificates but I am not sure about the Upstate New York as I know pretty well about NYC records (civil ones).
Kind regards,
Tees
PS Awaiting the reply from my friend regarding your findings.
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Hi Tees
I think you have hit the nail exactly.... I never thought of that! Of course...
The enumerator would have been copying from the individual Household Schedule, where as you say it could be written with the German double "s"
My French is 99.9% none existent! But I would say it is probabley pronounced Tiss ......or Tees with a soft s on the end!!! 
Also....just found it.... New York held it's own seperate Census' in 1880, 1892 and 1905!
New York State Census Collection
1892: Croghan, Lewis NY
Thse images are very poor - the outside perimeter of them all blacked... but: Bottom of last column: is Austin and Mariette PRENTICE. Suspect their children, and her father Michael are listed on the blacked bits of pages - I can't find them!
1905 : Croghan, Lewis NY
Michael THISSE is in it (try THIESE) age 83, b France - father to and living with: Head of House daughter Mariette PRENTICE 52 and her children, Roswell E 22, Earl 17 and Esther 10 . Mariette was an Hotel Proprietress.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly,
Thanks for another excellent finding!
Glad you agree with my explanation re: Tibbs/Tiss/Thisse.
This is what makes this hobby fun!! Trying to figure out why and how it comes to be that, etc.
By the way, would you like to try and find my Great Grandfather and his family in 1900 Census?? He may be with them or not.
I could not find him anywhere in NYC.
His name is Joseph H O'Shaughnessy (this surname may be written as a Shausghy, etc--could not believe it was badly spelt) born circa 1870 in New Orleans, LA but was last seen in Manhattan with his parents Patrick & Bridget with other sisters in 1880 US Census.
Hope you can fill in the missing blank on this family.
Thanks for any help with this!
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Ambly,
That explains where the surname Prentice comes from...his daughter's married name.
But why should the father be buried with that surname unless he was buried in the grave of his daughter & son in law's?
Kind regards,
Tees
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I was just modifying my last post a wee bit (as you were replying)
I don't think Michael's death was necessarily registered as PRENTICE?
Rather I think the Headstone Transcribers have found a Headstone where "Michael Thisse" is referred to as the father of Mariette Prentice" and they have made a quantum leap in assuming the unfamiliar name "Thisse" is his middle-name and his surname is supposed to be the familiar "PRENTICE" also?
Either they are buried in the same grave, or else buried seperately but one of their Gravestones refers to either "his daughter" or her father" by name  Maybe??
Ahhhh.... That Shaunessy fellow... Rings a bell! I think I have tried before to find him after seeing a Tees post! He's given you a bit of bother I recall I'll have another bash at it!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly,
My friend is extremely pleased with your findings and mine.
I encouraged him to sign up to few websites--he is somewhat uncomfortable with it.
My friend had asked me to thank you so much for your wonderful help. As for me, I was awfully glad I was right about the Tibbs family with your confirmation.
Oh, yes--now I think you did try helping me with my Great Grandfather before. Sorry to "bother" you as I have posted too many on this site.
Hopefully, this time we may be in the luck with my Shaughnessy or whatever form it may be in.
One day when I am able to visit NY, I will try three marriage records of my great-grandfather's sister to see if one of them is hers. Just to pinpoint where she was--maybe she was still living with her parents.
Kind regards,
Tees
PS Your explanation re: the Prentice makes a lot of sense to me. Will ask my friend to confirm this for us if he ever gets to the cemetery.
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Hi Ambly,
Will follow up on 1892 Census...maybe he was on next page?
Thanks for that!
Wondering if there is a NJ Census for this same period??
Kind regards,
Tees
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