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Moreman of Gloucester
« on: Monday 14 January 08 13:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

Could someone help me trace the lineage of the Moreman (variety of spellings: Mortman Moreman, Mormon etc) family.  I am trying to reverse engineer from 1841 going forward in time in the hope that I can gain a missing clue.  i am looking for the descendents of:

John Moreman (born circa 1800) and his wife Ann.  I know of children Ann(e) (b. 1822), Emily (b 1831) and Jane (b. 1833).  I believe that one of them sired my g.g.grandfather (out of wedlock) who was later called George Edward Williams (marriage certificate - wife Mary Jane Thomas 1880ish).

All lived in Gloucestershire, cirencester or Tetbury at that time.

Good hunting  Grin
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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 January 08 14:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Here's a possible 1841

HO107/380/2 fol.32 p.22  Cirencester
MOREMAN
John 40 Labourer
Ann  45
George 15
Emily 10
Jane 8
all born in county

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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 January 08 14:05 GMT (UK) »
That looks right to me, interested to find out which one had a son George and what happened after that.  Cheesy
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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 January 08 14:14 GMT (UK) »
I'll try to follow them!   Smiley

Looks as if Ann died: Dec 1846 Cirencester 11/189 Moreman  Ann

1851 possible for John:

HO107/1968 fol.391 p.18
Coxwell St, Cirencester
in  household of Giles Gobey, Baker
John Moreman lodger widr 49 Groom  Cirencester
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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 January 08 14:32 GMT (UK) »
What about this one for 1861?

RG9/1782 fol.119 p.25
Cirencester
MOREMAN
John head m 64 Labourer Cirencester
Rachel wife m 49                Wooton under edge
George W. grandson 5 Scholar  Tetbury
Richard HUNT lodger u 20 Labourer Cheltenham

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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 January 08 15:19 GMT (UK) »
This looks like the birth of George the grandson found by Barbara
 
Free BMD - George Mormon September qtr. 1854, Cirencester, vol. 6a, page 288

sending for the certificate will confirm parentage!

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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 January 08 15:26 GMT (UK) »
oh well done Susan, I was looking!   Cheesy

Struggling to find the rest of the family 1851 & 1861 I'm afraid..

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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 January 08 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Very elusive this family!

In 1851 Anne Moreman, 26, is a house servant in Cirencester - looks like a large estate with many cottages.

HO107/1968 vol 457 page16


1871 George is with his aunt and uncle

John Howard  Head  Mar  40  Retired Draper  Cheshire Nantwich
Emily Howard  Wife  Mar  37         ditto  wife  Glos. Cirencester
James F. Howard  Son  10  Scholar  Glos. Bistol
Charles H Howard  Son  9  Scholar  Glos. Bristol
George Williams  Nephew  15  Chemist Errand Boy Glos. Tetbury
Julia Mormon  Neice Unm  19  General servant  Glos. Cirencester

Winchcombe Terr
Painswick

RG10/2630 vol, 64 page 4

Probably rules out Emily being George's mother  Undecided

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Herefordshire: Mytton
Lincolnshire:  Ingham
Northamptonshire:   Knight (Welford);   Linnell;  Gaudern;
Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford):  Wood;
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 January 08 18:12 GMT (UK) »
Julia Mormon, also with her aunt and uncle in 1871, was the daughter of Henry Mormont (c1825), is he another of John and Ann's children?

1861

Henry Mormont Head Mar  36  Groom at Kennels  Gloucestershire Cirencester
Hannah Mormont  Wife  Mar  37  Dressmaker  Gloucestershire Haresfield
John H. Mormont  Son  Unm  13  Scholar  Gloucestershire Cirencester
Hannah Mormont  Dau  Un  11  Scholar                  ditto
Julia Mormont Dau  9  Scholar                                 ditto
Ellen Mormont  Dau  7  Scholar                               ditto
Walter Mormont  Son  1  -                                       ditto

Cecily Hill (?)
Cirencester

RG9/1782/95/3


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Herefordshire: Mytton
Lincolnshire:  Ingham
Northamptonshire:   Knight (Welford);   Linnell;  Gaudern;
Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford):  Wood;
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 January 08 19:19 GMT (UK) »
Here are the birth/baptisms of children of John and Ann

St. John the Baptist Cirencester

William Moorman born 1st August 1820; baptised 3rd September 1820
Anne Moreman born 29th May 1822;  baptised 30th June 1822
John Henry Moreman born 6th July 1824;  baptised 1st August 1824
George Moreman born 31st August 1826;  baptised 29th September 1826
Arthur Moreman born 26th February 1829;  baptised 25th March 1829
Emily Moorman born 27th November 1830;  baptised 7th January 1831
Jane Moreman born 13th February 1833;  baptised 24th April 1833

I think we can confidently say the Henry in previous post is a son of John and Ann.


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Herefordshire: Mytton
Lincolnshire:  Ingham
Northamptonshire:   Knight (Welford);   Linnell;  Gaudern;
Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford):  Wood;
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 08:12 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Barbara and Susan, some good leads there.  Any idea waht happened to Jane Mormon?

I am very grateful

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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 09:37 GMT (UK) »
No, can't see Jane in 1851, thought I'd found her as a servant, but that Jane was 41 (thought might have been a mistranscribed 14), but I found her as a servant in 1841 aged 25, so not the right one.

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Re: Moreman of Gloucester
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 17:37 GMT (UK) »
Free BMD has a marriage

Jane Moreman December qtr. 1854 Cirencester vol 6a page 651

The only other name on  the page is Giles Gardner, bearing in mind there is usually four names to a page, may not be who she married!  Haven't found them in 1861 census; there is a death of a Giles Gardner June qtr. 1859 Cirencester  Undecided

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Herefordshire: Mytton
Lincolnshire:  Ingham
Northamptonshire:   Knight (Welford);   Linnell;  Gaudern;
Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford):  Wood;
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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