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help with SHOTTER family in LURGASHALL
« on: Monday 14 January 08 13:51 GMT (UK) »
James Shotter born about 1806 ( 35 years old in 1841) .In the 1841 census there is an ANN ShOTTER living with him and his family .

In the 1851 census Ann is living with James's daughter mary Ann age 21 .Ann is noted as the grandmother and born in county in about 1768 !

Does anyone have records for Lurgashall ? or have these people in their tree  Grin

I would love to know exactly when James was born and if anyone has any bright ideas about who Ann's husband was . There is a marriage for a William SHOTTER marrying Ann Kitchell 1808 but that seems too late . ideally the marriage would have been about 1798 .

Thanks for any info at all. I am doing this for friends.

Debz
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Re: help with SHOTTER family in LURGASHALL
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 January 08 16:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Debz,
There is only one marriage on the SMI of a male Shotter to an Ann but I think it's too early as Ann would have been about 18 but it's possible.  Francis Shotter of Littlehampton to Ann Poling (otp) by banns 10/8/1786 at Petworth.  The next marriage of a male Shotter to an Ann is the one you mention in 1808.  It would appear that James was born about 1805, Lurgashall as that's what he states on the 1851 census, so unless they married after his birth.... Huh
  This is his marriage;

Lurgashall, West Sussex,    9 May 1829:
James SHOTTER, bach
Mary Ann WEST, sp botp  (B)

Another possibility is this extracted baptismal record from the IGI;
James Shotter born 18/12/1800 baptised 15/1/1801 at Petworth s/o Ann Shotter, so James might be illegitimate.  Something to consider as Petworth is only 4 miles from Lurgashall.
An Ann Shotter was baptised at Petworth 13/1/1770 d/o Edmund & Anne could be something could be nothing.

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 January 08 17:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much indeed for that ....even if i cannot research further i now have definate factual info.

i shall ponder over this ....18 years of age would be ok , more normal than 40 years old !!

i do think that James was born at Lurgashall so the Petworth /Ann Shotter may not be what i'm looking ......

just remembered that on the '51 census it says ...Ann Shotter pauper to ag lab widow - it has a W in the condition column  Cheesy so she had been married !!!  Grin

Thanks you been very helpful....2 brains an' all that  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 January 08 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Don't believe everything that's written on the census  Wink  Ann might have put the story about that she had been widowed at an early age so try & think outside the box  Wink

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Re: help with SHOTTER family in LURGASHALL
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 January 08 17:27 GMT (UK) »
very true... it's just impossible to know for sure ....  Huh

ann would have been about 35 when she had James .... i can't see how i will know for sure...oh well

thanks again tho for your time and help

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Re: help with SHOTTER family in LURGASHALL
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 January 08 17:41 GMT (UK) »
One avenue to explore would be to see if there was a Bastardy Order or Removal Order for Ann.  I did have a look on the W. Sussex Poor Law database on their site but I couldn't access it so had a look at A2A but nothing came up there.  Something is likely to be out there that will prove or disprove the theory, so keep looking  Cheesy

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Re: help with SHOTTER family in LURGASHALL
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 January 08 17:43 GMT (UK) »
JAMES HUMPHRIES
Christening:  01 MAY 1808   Lurgashall, Sussex
Mother:  ANN HUMPHRIES

ANN HUMPHREYS
HENRY SHOTTER  
Marriage:  11 FEB 1810   Lurgashall, Sussex

HENRY SHOTTER  
Christening:  15 JUL 1810   Lurgashall, Sussex
Father:  HENRY SHOTTER  
Mother:  ANN  

ANN SHOTTER
Christening:  18 AUG 1814   Lurgashall, Sussex
Father:  HENRY SHOTTER  
Mother:  ANN  

Burial St Lawrence Lurgashall
28th June 1827
Henry Shotter aged 67

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 January 08 17:57 GMT (UK) »
Henry juniors' marriage

HENRY SHOTTER 
HARRIOTT REMNANT
Marriage:  27 NOV 1831   Chiddingfold, Surrey

Henry in Lurgashall on the 1841 through to the 1891 censuses.

Possible marriage for Ann
FREDERICK SMITHERS
ANN SHOTTER
Marriage:  20 JAN 1833   Lurgashall, Sussex

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Re: help with SHOTTER family in LURGASHALL
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 January 08 21:29 GMT (UK) »
thank you so Valda - you are so helpful !
that looks good. will take all this into consideration.
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Re: help with SHOTTER family in LURGASHALL
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 08:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jane,

i did look at the Poor Law database but Lurgashall or petworth parish is not listed so i presume that the info is not available but thanks for that reference , i'm not au fait with the Bastardy laws etc


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