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kazza57
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Hi there,
Hope I have put this in the right area?
I was wondering if I have checked the 1841 census for Cornwall and found what I think to be my family how do I double check its the right one please?
The age is correct with his date of birth but not sure about anything else!!
I am looking for James Harris born C. 1791 the son of James Harris and Mary Harris nee Jenkins.
Thanks in advance.
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Karen
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althea
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Good question Karen
Who have you found him with,is he married, with children? in area born in, died in?
Freecen search comes up with 16 options for me with a 5yr age variation
Can you give us some more info?
Is he still alive in 1851? does age occupation match
Bye
Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk OPC for Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 |
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kazza57
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Hi there,
Before I started looking for James I had only his parents as James Harris and Mary Jenkins, my Aunty had found them on the Parish records.
James b 1791, George b 1796 and Mary b 1797.
I didnt have a marriage for young James until I found this entry on the 1841 census of Cornwall.
James 50, Elizabeth 55, Catherine 20, Mary 15. It doesnt actually say Elizabeth is his wife or these are his children? St. Agnes is the area of the census which is Cornwall.
I also then found another James Harris age 70 could be young James father, as a pauper, plus Phillipa 60, Elizabeth 40, and some more people. I cant work out on this census why it doesnt have a house number or street name?
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong document.?
I'm confused. lol
I dont have any deaths for either James Harris.
Many thanks
Karen.
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althea
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Frustrating I know, but there are alot of James Harris' born about that time, so really you hope to find later census that confirm a name or a will will help
Do you know any other siblings for definite?
I assume you are looking at this one
Piece: HO107/149/3 Place: Pydar -Cornwall Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: St. Agnes Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 30 Page: 19
Address: Mount Hawke
Have you looked for the marriage of that James and Elizabeth
There are not always housenumbers especially on such an early census
You can also see it here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/40149b.html
There are alot of HARRIS at Mount Hawke......
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk OPC for Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 |
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kazza57
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Hi Althea,
Yes it is Mount Hawke 1841 census Cornwall that I'm looking at.
No I havent looked for the marriage of James and Elizabeth. Would I look for that on Ancestry? As I havent had any information till now I'm a bit lost.
Yes it is confusing but I dont want to be chasing the wrong branch.
Thanks.
Karen.
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althea
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What is your most direct connection to this James Harris?
Asking so that you can more accurately try and eliminate some of the many..
If you want to eliminate this family or confirm look for their baps and marriages
Catherine in IGI's feb 1823 aged 5 at St agnes parents James and Elizabeth
looks like Mary on same day aged 2
The OPC
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~arrow/OPC/new_page_1.htm does lookups so may have more info, check for marriage etc
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk OPC for Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 |
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kazza57
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Hi Althea,
James Harris is my direct line, he is the son of my 4x great grandfather.
I need to confirm this as my family. I guess bap and marriages in the late 1700's early 1800's will have to be on Parish records. I dont think these are searchable on the internet, if they are then I havent found any.
Since you mention Catherine on the IGI ( I hadnt looked yet) as wasnt sure was correct family.
Her age on the 1841 census is 20 and Marys age is hard to read.
Thanks for the link will go check.
Cheers
Karen
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Hi Karen,
I am afraid this appears to be a concern at the moment. I had a look about St Agnes and noted 4 marriages of James HARRIS in that parish from 1794 - 1812 (more before and I am sure more later, possibles are there for those you mention) There are just oh so many Harris's in St Agnes. I could not see a marriage for James and Mary Jenkin in that parish. I eventually located it in Perranzabuloe 18 Sep 1790 and the baptism of James in 1791 in Perranzabuloe. Given this I realise this must connect with your other Harris Post, and James is George's brother. I am sorry but unless you have some information re wife and children I can see a real problem here. Is there any reason to believe the son of James and Mary JENKIN did in fact move there? Unfortunately I can't see a James Harris in 1851 b Perranzabuloe, nor a likely in 1841 Perranzabuloe. Do you know he did survive to adulthood? Again no burial 1813-1837 listed. Sorry I have not been able to turn up anything positive here.
Kris 
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kazza57
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Hi Kris,
I wasnt sure when exactly James Harris married Mary Jenkins. I had come across some notes my Aunty had been working on. She did have the year but nothing else. Also with young James Harris being born 1791 I figured the marriage was before then.
Okay so young James was baptised in Perranzabuloe this is the Parish I have most of my other Harris people from. I dont know why I looked somewhere different.
Yes young James is George's brother. George born/bap 1796.
I dont even know if young James did survive to adulthood it was all guessing.
Maybe I should stick with the Parish of Perranzabuloe until I find something positive?
How will I find an information re wife or children?
Regards
Karen.
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Hi Karen,
I suggest you hire in the Perranzabuloe films to your local LDS FHC Library. They are very good, the fees are low and you have a few weeks to view the film at your leisure - normally you would need a booking for a reader.
I can find no easily available source for those burials 1791-1813, nor marriages after 1812, which I have already looked at. (OPC does have a transcript of marriages to 1837)
Usually takes a few weeks for LDS to get the films, but I am sure you will find much of interest, and well worth the money.  You do have a bit needing to be checked in Perranzabuloe, so should be fun, and particularly with signatures and witness signatures at marriage, can be invaluable where such a common name is concerned. 
Cheers Kris 
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kazza57
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Thanks Kris for your help.
I think I will be back to ordering some films again. I have had a couple out already but wasnt looking for James Harris at the time.
Regards
Karen.
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althea
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Also work by elimination
I was looking for possibles in 1851
There is a James and Elizabeth with a Gribble (nephew) spelt GRIBBEN)
this would appear to match James Harris who married Elizabeth Gribble 24/11/1821 at Redruth.
Piece: HO107/1909 Place: Probus -Cornwall Enumeration District: 2l
Civil Parish: St. Agnes Ecclesiastical Parish: Mithian
Folio: 591 Page: 23 Schedule: 98
Address: Mithian
So keep a list of the James you find and keep a not on plus and minus points to them being related/the one you want
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk OPC for Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 |
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