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littlewren
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I have just begun studying one branch of my family, I have traced them back to Newcastle through the census. I do not know the north east at all. I have the opportunity of spending two hours in Newcastle (taking son on steam train in February). I would like to look up some marriages if possible. I thought they would be in Newcastle central library but it looks like it is being redeveloped. Could someone please tell me if there is somewhere in central Newcastle where I could look at parish records? {particularly All Saints, Newcastle about 1840s}.
Also could anyone recommend a bookshop in the centre which sells local history books (recommendations welcome - particularly interested in social history Newcastle, Sunderland 1700-1860, history and explanation of glass industry and old maps of Newcastle. I have tried reading things on Genuki (which I think is a brilliant site) but struggling due to lack of local knowledge.
Many thanks.
Little wren.
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http://www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk/visit.htm
Hiya Little wren
Try the link above. I haven't been yet, but it's on my list of things to do. The Discovery museum is free, and has lots of displays, and Tyne and Wear Archives is right next door to it. It looks like a good day out, but I don't think two hours will do it 
I bought a video in a shop on the quayside, with lots of old photos of Newcastle on it. They had lots of books about Newcastle, the dialect etc. I'm sure most of the bookshops in Newcastle will have local books in there.
Have a good day
Rosemary
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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Michael Dixon
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The Tyne & Wear Archives which shares Blandford House with the Discovery Museum, is Tyne & Wear's equivalent of a County Record Office.
T&W Archives has accessible film for just about every church in the area, from beginning to modern-ish times, including All Saint's .
Rosemary's link will reveal the A-Z of T&W Archives... including opening times, that to be sure of getting a filmreader it is necessary to book, and the appropriate user guides.. e.g. what church records are available for what period.
Did you think that a place the size of Newcastle could do without a central library because of "redevelopment" ?
The Centraql library was closed/demolished ? over a year ago... but all the facilities that were available there, were resited to other venues...
For e.g. The Local and Family History Section was temporarily relocated to the Civic Centre complex ( fairly near to Haymarket Metro station) in the basement.
Here there are available transcriptions and abbreviated indexes of many church records.. including All Saints. But these mainly cover periods before 1837, and are available in book form and/or microfiche. Booking not necessary.
The Northumberland County Record Office, now situated at Woodhorn near Ashington, holds most Newcastle parishes records ( although Newcastle is no longer in Northumberland) Booking necessay to get filmreader.
Did you notice within the GenUKI web site that within each individual parish, under " Church Records", there is a list of all churches, including " non-conformists", and where these records are held. The All Saint's page, also mentions that Gateshead Library holds some records.
Books....
You might need to buy ten books to get idea of social history of Newcastle.. plus another load for Sunderland...
Newcastle Library... in the Civic Centre ( as is the Newcastle Register Office) has such books to sell.... The Sunderland Tourist Centre, Fawcett St, Sunderland ditto.
Save money and shoe leather and find out about the areas, by browsing the internet. !
Another good source are Trade Directories, which contain history, church, industry, and times of high tide, etc on all areas.
Michael Dixon
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GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
ENGLAND ( Counties of Northumberland & Durham)
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2zpool
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There is a very DVD that I see on eBay now called "Tyneside Through the Ages" for about £6 that I found quite interesting. I purchased it last year. It starts with the Roman's and continues through modern times about 1990 with original footage from the times. If you don't want to go through alot of books and just want a synopsis of history. It hits the area and not just Newcastle.
Janis
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Co. Durham: Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener Northumberland: Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath ------------------------------------------------------------------ Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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littlewren
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Thank you Rosemary, Michael and Janis for your advice. I have booked a reader at the Tyne and Wear Archives, there is a nice map on the site and it does not look far from the station. The Discovery museum does look very interesting but I am not going to be too ambitious. I will keep an eye out for the DVD "Tyneside through the Ages". I have found that after a visit to a place I can have a much better understanding of information on the internet - I am hoping the same will be true of Newcastle. Looking forward to February now.
Thanks again.
Little Wren.
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I might try and make it myself one weekend, now you've got me interested again. 
Let me know if it's far from the station when you've been. I usually drive to Newcastle, but it would be nice to go on the train - I could read a book on the way, and just relax.
Rosemary
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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Gadget
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It's about 5-10 mins walk from the station
You'll love Newcastle - well I have since I first lived here 39 years ago. It's why I came back
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Hi Littlewren, Waterstones bookshop is right beside greys monument at the top of Grey street, come out of the central station, cross the road and bear right and take the 1st left and thats grainger st, go all the way up to the greys monument and turn right onto Grey St and Waterstones is on your left, regards Malcolm
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Do they not sell books in the Discovery Centre about Newcastle?
Just trying to save you time Little Wren
Rosemary
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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Yes they do. Waterstones by the Monument is good but it is a 'Waterstones' and doesn't have the full range of local history, etc. books.
She could get the Metro from Central Station to Monument , to save time, if she wanted to have a more general look around the centre and shops 
Gadget
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peter brownlee
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Robinsons bookstall in the covered Grainger Market stocks a good range of recent local history publications.
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..and that's pretty close to Waterstones and Monument station
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littlewren
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Thank you for the further advice, Rosemary, Gadget and Peter. I think I shall try the Discovery centre first for books then if ...we have time Grainger Market and Waterstones. I am just hoping the steam train is not cancelled nor running late. My son has found out more information about it and apparently it is going to go at about 75 miles an hour on the east coast main line - something we have not yet experienced. It is going to be a very long day. My son does not like crowds so going to shops is only possible if I know where I am going so I am very grateful for the directions. As I have so little leads to go on with this family I am really keen to get some local history books.
Many thanks little wren.
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I just thought I would post an update on my trip to Newcastle. We went on Saturday 2nd February, I must admit after the weather on Friday I was quite apprehensive about us getting there at all! Anyway, we had a really early start - had to be out of the house at 05.45 as we had to walk into Manchester to catch the train (when I booked it the provisional departure time was 7.30 but was resheduled to 06.37 from Manchester Victoria). Snow lay on the ground, but the wind had dropped and it was so quite!! My son has never been out at this time before. Halfway there it started to snow. We arrived quite puffed out and I was somewhat regretting...... but a memory to store as we arrived just in time to pant up the platform to have a look at the engine "Duke of Gloucester", it was still dark and the glow from the firebox was something to behold. My son tells me this steam engine was the last one built for BR and we have not seen it before. Anyway had a long walk down the platform to find coach D - I do not remember steam trains in action but I do remember long trains and this one fetched back those memories as it had 12 carriages. I am not a train enthusiast myself but can highly recommend this trip (we have visited many heritage lines but their steam trains are restricted to 25 mph). The train pulled smoothly away from the platform with a haunting whistle. We were really lucky because there were some real train enthusiasts near us and they kept us informed as to what was going on - I really admire them for they are both very knowledgable and willing to share without being condescending. It brought to mind the old "Swan Vista?" advert. The engine had to make an extra "water stop" as the first place they tried the water pressure was too low this made us late - but the enthusiasts explained this was better as it allowed us to go 'fast' presumably to catch up. Anyway we arrived at York on time. We fair flew up the east coast mainline - although of course 'today's' trains easily passed us on the fast line. But I didn't care. Our seats were soft and squishy (paid extra for first class - well worth it comfortable seats and a cup of tea in a real cup), the carriage was lovely and warm, a smooth ride and the music of the wheels clattering over the rails and the distant chug of the engine without the usual squeaking and tapping you get on modern trains. Now one might be saying what has this to do with family history......well I spent much of that journey pondering on the past. Was this the way they travelled in the past? when they went from Newcastle to Lancashire? The earliest relatives did the journey sometime after 1852 and later my greatgrandfather went back up to Durham and we know he went back to visit family in Lancashire - did he use the train? My mum visited family up in Durham in the 1940's and they used the bus. All the branches of my family all moved around plenty. And on a more general note what impact had the railways on the industrial revolution and the life of this country. Back to the trip....all was fine and on time until we were 5 miles from Newcastle when we were crawling along only to come to a final halt. We were due in at 11.50. I don't know how long we were stood certainly longer than 30 mins, the driver had gone through a red light but the signal had been on the opposite side of the engine (so explained the enthusiasts). This meant he could not drive the engine any further, we had to wait for a diesel engine to come and pull us into Newcastle station. Well, I was in the company of civilized people because I heard noone complain about the train being late - it was just one of those things. Everyone had sympathy with the driver and so did I. As compensation we got to go into Newcastle station via the Highlevel bridge. I have seen Newcastle on the TV of course but the reality of it was so much more impressive and exhilarating. After alighting we hung around to watch the 'Duke' depart - it did look a little sad behind the diesel. The train back was due at 15.45 but was suppose to come into the station at 15.15, I told my son we would come back to watch it come into the station. So we, along with a fair few others were back at the station for 15.15 however nothing appeared until 15.40 and then it was the diesel - well you can imagine what my son was saying. It was a very glum lad who boarded that train ........until it started- going out of the station the opposite way to that which it had come through we heard THE WHISTLE the steam engine was at the other end. All was well. We had an uneventful journey back arriving in Manchester Victoria at 21.05. So a long day, was it worth it?
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