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John BARLOW b1855 England.
« on: Tuesday 15 January 08 17:07 GMT (UK) »

John Barlow from Haughton Green Lancashire England. Sailed from Liverpool to America c1881.  His wife Mary followed with their two children the following year.

We have them from their arrival in 1881 through to a 1930 census.    John went over first, departing form Liverpool, then Mary and the two kids followed the next year.  Mary died, and John married an American girl and had more children.  He was a printer/compositor in Haughton and carried on the trade in the States.  His son James Pollitt Barlow born 1880 followed in his father's trade. 

Can help a little with Mary's background.  Both the death dates of John and is wife Mary would be appreciated.


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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 17:19 GMT (UK) »

U.S. records are mainly held by individual states.
If you know what state/states the Barlows lived check to see whether they have death indexes online or even available at all.
If you've checked the U.S. census records already you should have an idea of when first wife Mary 'disappeared' and wife number two appears.
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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 January 08 17:15 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for your prompt reply.  Regrettably I do not have a continual run of census's so am unable to trace the time period John's first wife dropped out of the picture.  I do know however that the Barlow family lived and worked in Boston City Southern County MASS including one of their children James Pollitt Barlow brn 1880 Lancs UK. James married a French-Canadian girl called Jessie (Ref: 1930 census).  the point is I have a photo of a US Sailor dated March 21 1943 taken at Newport Rhode Island.  His name is poorly written but begins Richard M. ?  I would like to know more about this you man - can I email you the picture and text.  I am new to Rootschat and cannot seem to get the correct format acceptable to make an attachment.

Thank you.

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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 January 08 19:04 GMT (UK) »

There's a naval base in Newport, Rhode Island so that's probably why the picture was taken there.
Boston is in Suffolk Co., Mass. (not Southern).

Could this be your James Barlow?:
Dr. James P. Barlow (age 86) died Sept. 7, 1966 (Boston Obituary Index).
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Re: Dr James P.Barlow
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 January 08 11:39 GMT (UK) »

Ref: James Pollitt Barlow 1880-1966

I do believe you have found my James P Barlow. Bran 1880 Lancashire, England.  Thank you very much.  It is a step forward I never envisaged making and I owe it all to you.  Could I ask one more favor - to look-up the 1900 Boston census for his father John Barlow Bran 1855 Cheshire, England.  It is very likely you will find his son James aged 20 living with him. I would like to confirm James occupation at that time
We had always understood James followed in his father trade as a Compositor Printer - the jump to Dr. is certainly new information, and the death in 1966 at the age of 86 does fit in well with his birth in 1880.
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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 January 08 14:02 GMT (UK) »

1900 Census, Everett Ward 3, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts
137 Belmont

Barlow, John, born Apr. 1855 in England, married for 3 years, parents born England, immigrated 1887, in US for 13 years, papers filed for naturalization, occupation - printer, can read and write, rents home

wife Annie, born Aug 1867? in England, married for 3 years, mother of one child who was still living, parents born England, immigrated 1890?, in US for 10 years, no occupation, can read and write

son James P., born Dec. 1877? in England, single, parents born England, immigrated 1888, in US for 12 years, occupation - printer, can read and write

daughter Annie, 8 years old (hard to read birth month and year) in England, parents born England, in US for 2 years, in occupation there's something like compositor, but it could be an error, can read and write

daughter Dorothy, born Aug 1898, one year old, born Massachusetts, parents born England

If you want to take a peek for yourself, you can sign up here:  http://labs.familysearch.org/ and see the 1900 Census for free.
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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 January 08 15:10 GMT (UK) »

Hi
Many thanks for all your help and prompt reply.
Yes this is most definitely the John Barlow and family I was looking for. John's first wife Mary must have died. and he has married again.
The son: James Pollitt Barlow (born in England) who's occupation is shown as a printer. This makes it doubtful that he became a doctor (although not impossible I suppose?).
Thanks to "aghadowey" I have the details a Dr James P Barlow's death (age 86) Sept. 7, 1966 (Boston Obituary Index).   
Is there any way of finding out what the P stands for.
Cheers
Ray


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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #7 on: Friday 18 January 08 16:03 GMT (UK) »

The Social Security Death Index has a James Barlow born 17 Dec 1879 and died Sep 1966.  His last residence was Belmont, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts, and his Social Security number was issued in Massachusetts.

There is a WWI Draft Registration card for James Pollitt Barlow living at 90 Brighton Ave., Allston, Suffolk Co., Mass.  He was born on the same date as above.  He was a naturalized US citizen.  It's a bit hard to read the bit about his occupation, but he was some sort of engineer for the US Govt. in a town in Norfolk Co.  On the next page, it says "Is an osteopathic Physician at present working as an (illegible) engineer."  His wife was Jessie E. Barlow at the Brighton Ave. address.  He was listed as short with a medium build, gray eyes, and sandy hair.

There is a WWII Draft Registration card for a James P. Barlow born on that same date in England.  He was living at 65 Gardner St., Allston, Suffolk Co., Mass.  He was employed by "self dr." at 100 Boylston St., Boston.  The person who would always know his address was Jessie E. Barlow.  He was 5 feet 11 inches tall and 175 pounds with gray hair and eyes and a light complexion.

It looks like your James was the doctor.

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Re: James Pollitt Barlow 1879-1966
« Reply #8 on: Friday 18 January 08 17:33 GMT (UK) »

Thank you all for nailing my family line into the United States.  There are a couple of families here in England who are elated with all the recorded detail you have so freely given to us., and your time spent in doing so. We love you all and greatly indebted.
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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 January 08 11:22 GMT (UK) »

Can you read the name of the enclosed sailor please.

Photograph found amongst papers here in England.

The suggestion being he may be related through marriage to one of the above families.

Did he survive the War?

Did he marry States-side?

Once I have his name acknowledged I will search UK records.

Many thanks once again

Ray.


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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 January 08 16:05 GMT (UK) »

Looks like 'Richard M. Nokes.'
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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 January 08 16:12 GMT (UK) »

Several 'Richard Nokes' on LDS site. Including a Richard Maurice Nokes b.c1927 son of Maurice Yale & Sarah (Shelmerdine) Noakes.

It is possible that the man in the photograph wasn't related at all. My mother's brothers were in Army and Navy during WWII and forever bringing friends home on leave or if they couldn't get away they'd send the friends to the house anyway (one of them ended up marrying my aunt). My grandmother had lots of photos of the friends and some continued to keep in touch for years with Christmas cards, letter with pictures of their children and grandchildren and even came back to visit.
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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #12 on: Monday 25 February 08 01:39 GMT (UK) »

John Barlow is my Great Grandfather. 

You asked in the 1st post when he died.  John Barlow died 17 Oct. 1905.   His is buried in Oak Grove Cemetery in Medford, MA.   I have a letter dated Sept 1888 from his employer, saying he is leaving for the US and he is a reliable worker.

I am not sure about Mary's death.  John Barlow’s 2nd wife Annie Brooks came to the US from England in 1891 &  their child (Dorothy/my grandmother) was born Aug 1898.  After John died, Annie remarried.

Most of what I know is already in the previous posts, but here is what I can add:   James was the doctor.   In the 1910 census, he is listed as “son in law” to the head of the house.  From that, I believe his wife’s maiden name to be Jesse E. McDowell.   I have found 3 daughters in census Alice, Gertrude and Shirley. (When starting this research, my father seemed to think that James had 4 girls, I have only found those 3).    I don’t know married names of all the daughters (or if they did marry).   Maybe this is where your picture comes in(?) 

The child Annie (age Cool mentioned in the 1900 census, is also a child of John Barlow and Mary.  Annie married Howard Heald.  They lived in Binghamton, Broome County, NY.  She died in 1973.   They had one son.   

I am so pleased to find someone else researching this family.  I would love to know any information on family in England and would, of course, be willing to share more.  I am curious your relation so I know what kind of information may be of interest to you. 

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Re: John BARLOW b1855 England.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 25 February 08 13:07 GMT (UK) »

Hi Lisa, Welcome to Rootschat England.

John Barlow b1855 (your Gt Grandfather) married Mary Pollitt (the sister of my Gt Grandfather John Pollitt Jnr) at St George's Church, Hyde, Cheshire in 1879. 
Mary was the daughter of John Pollitt Snr. and Mary Yates (the last of 8 children). 
John Pollitt snr (1805-1854) was the Schoolmaster of Denton School House, Denton, Lancashire, a Clerk of the Chapel and Superintendent of the Sunday School.  His wife Mary (1805 - 1884) was Schoolmistress. Both are buried St Lawrence Church, Denton, Lancashire.

John Barlow and wife Mary, prior to leaving UK for America, lived at 39 Haughton Green Road, Denton, Lancashire.  I have a photograph of this house taken 2006 which I will get to you these coming days.

Archive Photographs of the area can be see here >

          http://www.tameside.gov.uk/history/archive.php3

Scroll down the opening page and tap in 'Haughton Green'

In the 1871 UK census we have at - 86 Manchester Road, Hyde, Cheshire
James Barlow 50   Plumber & Glazier
Mary A Barlow 47  wife
John Barlow 16    (your Gt Grandfather) Printer Compositor.
Sarah A Barlow 14  Cotton Weaver
Alice Barlow 11 
Annie Barlow 4 

The whole Barlow family gave Hyde in Cheshire as their place of birth.

Back again soon.
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