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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 26 January 08 21:03 GMT (UK) »

Right, these are my views,although they might not make sense.

Nathan Goodwin Sarah Berry marriage 12 sept 1736 Bedford St Paul is ok, but still no proof of him being Johns father as I cant find him in the IGI.

Baptism of Frances Woodroffe is fine with parents Richard and Ann sounds ok too.

Dickens Prigmore married Rebecca Elliott but you said they were probably not related to the Turvey Prigmores.  When I looked through my files, I found a Thomas Prigmore of Turvey married a Mary Dickens 24 April 1743 with a son Dickens born 1757.  The reason I think they are his parents is the name Dickens which is unusual but also his mothers maiden name. 

What do you think?

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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 26 January 08 23:35 GMT (UK) »

That 1774 burial is a bit odd.

"infant" usually refers to a baby, not an 8 year old

But I am struggling to come up with an explanation

David

unless the one that was buried was really Thomas ? chr 1773

Is the burial on the NBI ?
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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 27 January 08 07:35 GMT (UK) »

Yes, John, and that says John as well (when I checked the NBI initially I ignored that one because of the infant description) so there was no difference between the parish register and the BT. I had also wondered if the PR might be in error, but it would take a lot of work to see if there is any subsequent record of Thomas, and even if there wasn't it doesn't prove the PR is in error. There was also a Richard Golden/Gooding and Sarah who baptised two children in 1760 and 1767, and were married in Kempston on 11 Oct 1759 - there's plenty of room for an unbaptised John in between the the children.

Maisie - the Nathan/Sarah (Berry) couple would have been John's grandparents. The older one was buried at Wootton on 21 June 1776, and his son at Kemspton on 26 Apr 1803 - John had found the Kempston burial.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 27 January 08 08:04 GMT (UK) »

Morning,  I have someone's tree from Genes ReUnited with that Dickens Prigmore's family on it. I've just sent them a message to see if they know what became of him. But as David says some peoples trees are not fully accurate & must be checked out.

There are 2 other Dickins Prigmores in that tree from other family members, one of which born 1800 turned up in Felmersham & is specifically mentioned in Edward Arpin's diary.
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 27 January 08 08:49 GMT (UK) »

Interesting to note in that same GrU tree & verified on IGI, there is a marriage of James Wooding *  to Ann Prigmore on 13 SEP 1784 at  Turvey, Bedford. Ann chr 20 Feb 1763 was daughter of Thomas Prigmore & Mary Dickins (the same pair who had Dickens Prigmore).     

* most likely the right name - as I've seen loads of Wooding/Wooden names on the IGI at Turvey. 
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 27 January 08 09:25 GMT (UK) »

Funny you should mention the Woodings John. I have two in my tree, both married in Toseland Hunts so possibly sisters, both born Turvey but no trace of a baptism for either of them. Posthuma (odd name) b 1821 and Mary b 1816. But the IGI has no end of Turvey Woodings.

Neither are direct line so I've not lost any sleep over not finding their baptisms.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 27 January 08 17:56 GMT (UK) »

David

Regarding the name Posthuma I have come across this before.  Apparently the child usually a girl is called this when their father has died before their birth.

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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 27 January 08 18:20 GMT (UK) »

David and John  I have found what I think is John Goodwins christening 17th Nov 1765 All Saints Kempston, parents Nathan Goodwin and Ann.

Also Rebecca Elliots christening 14 April 1759 Biddenham.

Are these the right ones do you think or is my hair still in knots?

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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 27 January 08 18:31 GMT (UK) »

It's this John that John and I have been discussing, as there's a burial of John, son of Nathan and Ann in 1774. Until that's resolved you've got to assume the 1765 John died.

What were the names of your Johns's children - is there any naming pattern? I can't recall a Nathan amongst them though

I've not been following the Prigmore/Elliott lines so I'll leave John to comment on Rebecca.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 27 January 08 18:57 GMT (UK) »

David

The only child I have is James Goodwin born 1791 married Ann Prigmore 24 Dec 1812 St Pauls Bedford and died 22 dec 1870 in Great Barford.

I sent for a copy of John Goodwin and Frances wedding certificate from Bedford Archives.   The date was 27 July 1788 and the witnesses were James Woodroffe, John Lovelidge and Mercer Skevington.  Strange lot.

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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 27 January 08 19:02 GMT (UK) »

Witness names ?  John Locelidge ? could he be related to the William Lovelidge (Biddenham) widower to Ann Goodwin, widow on 16 Oct 1785 ?

Rebecca Elliot was from Biddenham as per the marriage licence.
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Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 27 January 08 19:10 GMT (UK) »

JohnP

Yes you are right could be a relation, but Im getting confused is this the Ann Dawson who is the nother of John? 

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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 27 January 08 19:16 GMT (UK) »

Ann Dawson ? that's new to me Maisie - where did she come from ?
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 27 January 08 19:39 GMT (UK) »

It was John & Frances Goodwin's children that I was referring to; the ones born in Willington - Ann; James, Ezer, Jane & Charlotte

Which doesn't get us very far, although the first daughter could have been named after Frances's mother who was Ann. But the eldest son should have been Nathan if the traditional pattern was followed. So either they weren't following the pattern, or Nathan wasn't John's father.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: John GOODWIN
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 27 January 08 20:03 GMT (UK) »

JohnP

Told you I was confused.  I meant Ann Goodwin, Dawsons my name.

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