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Does anyone know anything about a William Morgan born 1822 Bermondsey St Mary Magdelene married to an Elizabeth 1824 born in Plymouth Devon. Williams son Leonard Charles Morgan was my great grandfather although he was born in Rotherhithe. Thanks.
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Frances
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I do not know if you have this?
William Morgan Born 3 December 1821 Christened 15 February 1824 St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Parents were William and Sarah Elizabeth
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Thanks Frances Thats the one, but where will I find anything about William and Sarah Elizabeth?
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Hi Jane I am looking to find as many details as possible about William. I would like to know the name of his wife and mother to Leonard Charles Morgan who was my great grandfather. He is my favourite ancestor with a very shady past. I believe Williams parents were william and sarah elizabeth, which I have just found out but I would be very grateful for further information.
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Thanks Jane good idea. Now why didnt I think of that.
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What information does Leonard Charles give about his father on his marriage?
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Hello Valda Havent got Leonard charles marriage certificate. Am frantically trying to locate his birth certificate but i cant find it anywhere.
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Valda Ive just looked on Ancestry and found that william morgan was born in charlton kent after all that
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I think since the 1861 census is a confused entry and Leonard's birth doesn't appear to have been registered as Leonard Charles, you really need to obtain the information from Leonard's marriage certificate to be sure the 'Leonard G' aged 9 (son to the unmarried William Morgan the lodger - though the relationship on censuses should be to the head of household) is the same person as your Leonard Charles and that on his marriage his father's name is given as William and his occupation a ropemaker.
If you are not sure his name was Leonard Charles but Leonard George this seems the likely birth registration for the Leonard G of the 1861 census.
Births Jun 1852
Morgan Lonard George Rotherhithe 1d 442
this could be a mistranscription from the actual GRO index as this entry is taken from FreeBMD
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Hi Valda
Have just received the birth certificate of Leonard George Morgan dated 28 February 1852 at 2 St Annes Terrace Rectors Island Rotherhithe. His father was William Morgan, ropemaker and his mother was Elizabeth Jane Froud. Going by the census information Elizabeth came from Plymouth Devon, but I have checked IGI and Free BDM and havent found her.
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The IGI's only coverage of Plymouth Anglican parish registers is St Andrews 1581-1633.
Distraught people at close family member's deaths in the C19th did not always register the death in the full names of the person concerned. People often didn't marry using their full names and of course not everyone did in fact get married, or if they did married in their maiden names, if for instance they had been married before.
A possible death registration
Deaths Jun 1858
Morgan Elizabeth Rotherhithe 1d 337
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Valda Thanks for the death registration. That fits in with Leonard and William being together in the 1861 census, but I cannot find Elizabeth Jane Frouds birth anywhere. I have covered Plymouth and most of the London area and Greenwich where her first two boys William S and Walter S were born in 1846 and 1849 but still nothing.
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Elizabeth was born circa 1824, before civil registration so you are saying you have searched all the Plymouth parish registers, which for the Anglican churches would be
St Andrew
S Budeaux
Charles
Egg Buckland
St George East Stonehouse
Stoke Damerel Devonport
http://tinyurl.com/2ocudq
These are the churches in the outer area of Plymouth
http://tinyurl.com/2ol47h
and these are the surviving non-conformist registers
http://tinyurl.com/2srntu
http://tinyurl.com/35434o
For someone born before civil registration 1st July 1837 you would only be able to find a baptism (which may or may not give a birthdate) not a birth certificate.
If she married in the name Froud then there should be a marriage entry in the civil registration for her, but not everyone did get married and the GRO index is not a perfect index by any means.
This baptism at Greenwich would seem to indicate a marriage may not have taken place which might indicate either William or Elizabeth may not have been legally able to marry because of a prior marriage or else they simply did not choose to.
SYDNEY WILLIAM MORGAN FROUD
Christening: 27 FEB 1846 St Alphage, Greenwich, Kent
Father: WILLIAM FROUD
Mother: ELIZABETH
I think Walter's middle name was probably John.
Deaths Sep 1854
Morgan Walter John Rotherhithe 1d 827
St Mary's Rotherhithe registers are not on the IGI which is the most likely parish register to search for the baptisms of the other two known children. Those registers are held at the London Metropolitan Archives. It doesn't appear either Sydney William/William Sydney or Walter John's births were registered either as Morgan or Froud.
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