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phillH
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Hi
My Gr Grandfather x4 John Heywood born devenshire pops up in Clerkenwell Middlesex in the 1861 census 5 Frances st st James, district 10.
He was a Lithograph printer aged 36,he was there with his wife Ann and children.Ihave managed to locate them on the 1891 census at Clerkenwell,London. the address was 32 Brunswick close, in the area of Goswell? He is a printer age 67 living with his wife Ann.
Iwould love to be able to locate John and family on the 1871,1881 census so i can identify all the children,also it would be nice to know if he was around in the 1901 census at the ripe old age of around 78.If anyone has access to these census i would be very grateful for any information
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ooohps, i seem to have posted this in the completed look up thread  i dont seem to be able to delete it i will repost in the correct thread 
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1871 15 Ha?? Mitre Court
St Sepulchre
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Middlesex
John Heywood Head M Lithographic Printer Stonehouse Devon
Ann wife 45 Peters Morland Devon
Selina?(transcribed Lewis?) daughter 19 bristol
George Th son 8 Clerkenwell Middlesex
Lilley daughter 3 Clerkenwell
RG10 377 70 22
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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1881
-for some reason entered as James
23 Spencer Place
Clerkenwell
middlesex
james Heywood head M Lithographic Printer Devonshire
Ann wife 57 Peters Morland Devon
Lilly Ann daughter 13 Clerkenwell Middlesex
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I think the Sellina (transcribed lewis) in 1871 is Elizabeth A S Heywood in 1861
Birth reg
Elizabeth Ann Selina Heywood
Dec qtr 1853
Bristol
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wow,that was quick,i just retyped my request in the correct thread,and you had already posted  thanks a bunch for that suz very much appreciated,
Selina? on the 1861 census theres 2 girls Emily 10 elizabeth 7 but no selina? Anyway thanks again Suz
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ooohps looks like i posted too quick, you will have to slow down Suz
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Hi,
What looks like Selina (but transcribed as Lewis!) is on the 1871 -I think she is one and the same person as Elizabeth on 1861
If you look on 1861 Elizabeth is Elizabeth A S heywood
and I think that is her birth reg I posted Dec qtr 1853 Elizabeth Ann Selina Heywood
so it may be she was using her 3rd name Selina in 1871 (often happens)
Hope you understand my ramblings
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Doesn't look like they are around in 1901
But I have found them in 1851 if you require that census
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Thanks Suz, i do have the 1851 Census, if you have the entry you will note that John is from Shebbear Devon, but it says Stonehouse Devon in the 1871 census, or is he a lithograph printer in a stonehouse 
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It does clearly say b.Stonehouse Devon-but that's enumerators for you
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Thanks again Suz, very helpful indead
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Hi Suz
that Stonehouse entry is quite interesting.Heres why, Johns wife ANN was born in Buckland Filleigh, as it says on the 51/61 census i have also located her baptism.On the 71/81 census she mentions she was born Peters Marland,this happens to be where her father was born,the family spent some time here(so did Ann).
John Heywood, was born Shebbear,devon as it says on 51/61 census,i have located his baptism, he was a "Base" child to a Margaret Heward (Johns name is given as Heywood on his marriage certificate) I have been unable to trace this Margaret Heywood any further which has been dissapointing as Heywood is also my name. John says he is from Stonehouse on the 71 census?I just wonder if his mother came from Stonehouse,i checked and there is a stonehouse in devon,its in Plymouth,which is quite a distance from Shebbear where John was born.
On Johns marriage certificate,even though he was illigitimate,he gave his father as William Gill, he was born Hatherliegh which is nowhere near Plymouth.
So,there seems to be a stonehouse connection,i know its a long shot but maybe worth investigating.What do you think,maybe i should move this to a different section of the forum?any advice?
Phil
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Veryoften p.o.b. is given as somewhere they lived as a child -maybe Stonehouse was where his mother went to live -but as census are 10 years apart we sometimes don't associate tplace because it doesn't appear on the census.
It could also be a simple case of "that's what it sounded like to the enumerator"??
Was William Gill his father -and how do you know he was b. Hatherleigh?
I'll have another look around -and now!!
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Hi Suz
from john heywoods marriage cetificate,john was living in Exeter, his father was William Gill Inn Keeper. I checked census returns and found william gill Innkeeper/Victualler on the 1841 and 1851 census for st Pauls Exeter Devon,the 1851 census gave place of birth as Hatherliegh. The directories name the pub as the Anchore Inn. William Gill was married to Jane,i traced his marriage to 21.8.1826 exeter st Mary, to a Jane Fairchild.
I have traced William Gills baptism to 13.3.1803 Hatherleigh (fits nicley with age on census returns) parents william and Ann. I am pressuming that Margaret (Johns mum) was young when he was born illigitamate by Wiilliam Gill that would make Margaret Heywood born around 1803 John was born 1822.Maybe Margaret married soon after having her son Johnwas born? hope all these dates and names dont get too confusing :-)
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