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Topic: James Henry Clayton born 26 Sept 1851 Harrow On the Hill (Read 1228 times)
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carol8353
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Christine,
I think you're very brave sending for so many certs  I will keep my fingers crossed(and I know Liz will too) that you actually get some useful info from them.
Let us know what the certs tell you,and we'll take up the challenge again.
If James was illegitimate though, I fear you may never be able to trace his roots all the way back.His mothers surname Thomas,may well have Welsh connections.....there's hundreds and hundreds of Thomas's in Wales 
All the best
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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On a marriage certificate, if the father was deceased would this be noted or not? just was wondering if Samuel Thomas a witness is the father or brother to Ann.
The short answer is not necessarily Christine  it all depends on the vicar,if he actually asked " what's your dad's name,what job does he do and is he still alive"
Or only part of that 
I think the 1861 census is certainly a good one,whilst I can't see it exactly saying Brenchley,the last few letters are definitely 'ley'.......so it's probably a pretty good bet that you've hit the jackpot here too
And yes I do think that Hilda Hurly should be Murly.
Now to see if I can find out who Emma L Thomas was....unless Liz beats me to it!
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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no - I wont! I'm off for a weekend away later today, (well, Thurs to Sat) so I just popped on here to get a quick fix before I go, but I am being very restrained and NOT getting stuck into long involved look ups! (she says).
It does look as if this is all beginnig to come together a bit now.
Getting certificates is so often the gateway to sorting probelms in genealogy. I know it is pricey (but what hobby is not?) but often the answers, or more often, carefully disguised clues in the form of addresses or witnesses, are there for the finding.
Off to finish packing now!!! Hope this one is all sorted when I get back on Sat!
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carol8353
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Oh Christine that's fabulous !!!
Doesn't sound like dad is mentioned does it?
Maybe we can find his birth cert now then.
Regards
Carol
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carol8353
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Well Christine,I have searched backwards and forwards and up and down,but still cannot find the birth reg of James......nor him on any census 
Maybe as a single mum she didn't feel comfortable registering him?
Anyway now that you have found that Baptism you could email the London Metropolitan Archives to see how much they'd charge for a copy of the record.
ask.lma AT cityoflondon.gov.uk (replace AT with @)
As you know the exact date and church they usually do it for a 15 minute charge,they'll tell you the price.
Alternately if you are anywhere near a MormonLDS centre you could get the film of Mortlake Parish Church(Surrey) sent there for you to view.
Now you have a jolly good idea of who his mum was and where she came from.....all you need now is his dad 
All the best
Carol
PS I've just thought,seeing as he said he was born in Harrow,perhaps he was brought up there by someone other than his real mum?
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I was only at the LMA last week!
But I have just checked their website, and it looks like their records for St MAry's Mortlake dont go as late as 1854.
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Hello Mate,welcome back
I wish I could work out how to use the LMA's website to it's fullest
I wonder where the baptisms are then?
Could they still be at the church,surely not?
I wondered if they had bastardy bonds which might mention dad's full name.
All Kate's siblings seem to have been baptised at Lothbury,maybe Emma L is a sister in law,but as you say Thomas is so common a surname, she could be anybody!
Carol
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