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Terie
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Does anyone have a Bowie or Edmondson in their family tree from Hawick,
George Edmondson married Joan Bowie 8th Nov 1871, Hawick,
Isaac Edmondson married Jane Bowie 9th June 1876, Hawick.
George and Isaac were brothers, Joan Bowie was the Aunt of Jane Bowie.
William Bowie married Mary Renelson,1835. Hawick
Andrew Bowie married Margaret Byers. 1852 Roberton.
Walter Bowie married Jane Anderson. 1854 Hawick.
Hector Bowie married Ann King, 1861 Hawick.
All part of the same Bowie group,
Any Bowie researchers out there?
Amanda.
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Pollock,Roxburghshire.
Whillans,Wheelans,Scotland.
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Ros Fornaro
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Hi Terie,
Marriied into my tree is Andrew Tait Bowie born c1871 Hawick son of Henry and Elizabeth Bowie (Cochrane). Andrew came to Geelong, Victoria, Australia.
Ros
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Bell Coatbridge Sct Cassels Dunbarton Lnk Sti Sct Heggie Lnk Sct Lusty Gls Eng Lnk Sct McLuckie Stirling Sct Moss Leek Sts Eng Vic Aust Pride Gls Eng Geelong Vic Aust Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Terie
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Hi Ros, thanks for your reply,
Andrew Tait Bowie is part of the same Bowie family I listed,
Andrew Bowie born 30th June 1827 at Roberton married Margaret Byers in 1852, their children were,
James Tait Bowie born Roberton 1852,
Janet Bowie born Roberton 1853,
Helen Bowie born 1855,Died,
John Bowie born 1856,Died,
Henry Bowie born 1858,Married Elizabeth Cochrane 1879,
Gilbert Bowie born 1860,
George Bowie born 1862,
Helen Bowie born 1864,
Maggie Bowie born 1866,
Andrew Bowie born 1868,
John Bowie born 1871 married Annie Burns 1899.
Henry Bowie and Elizabeth Cochrane married 1879 Hawick,
children,
Andrew born 1879,
David born 1882,,died 1896 age 14yrs,
Maggie born 1884,
Henry born approx 1886,
James Tait Bowie born 1889.
Henry Bowie died 1893 age 36yrs,his wife Elizabeth Cochrane died 1924 age 70yrs.
Andrew Bowie born 1827 was the son of Andrew Bowie and Helen Tait, he died June 13th 1888 age 60yrs at 8 Gladstone St, Hawick,only his father was recorded, Andrew Bowie, Veterinary Surgeon,
Margaret Bowie,ms Byers died 1898,Hawick.
I have not been able to find a marriage record for Andrew Bowie and Helen Tait,
This Andrew Bowie was born approx 1800, died Oct 17th 1876 at 1 West Port,Hawick age 75yrs, recorded as single,
father William Bowie,Blacksmith,
mother Margaret Bowie ms Hogg.
If you would like any more details of the family please let me know, I believe there are still descendants of the Bowie family in Hawick, a James Tait Bowie died Nov 2005 in Hawick.
look forward to hearing back from you again,
Amanda.
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Ros Fornaro
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Hi Amanda,
Andrew Tait Bowie married Gladys Una Pride on the 23rd March, 1910 at St. Andrews Charch, Geelong, Victoria, Australia. She born 9th June 1887 Geelong daughter of William Henry Marsh and Martha Pride (Sheckell). Jack Henry (Jock) born 1912 Geelong died 1996 in Tasmania, Australia. Colin Anderson born 23rd August, 1919 Geelong. Andrew was a foreman in West Hobart, Tasmania in 1913, Gladys died on the 23rd March, 1973 in Geelong and is buried in Eastern Cemetery, Geelong.
I have spoken to Jock's wife in Launceston, Tasmania and will ring her this weekend to see if I can find you a contact.
Ros
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Ros Fornaro
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Hi Amanda,
I have been given a contact number in Sydney for Sue Bowie who is a granddaughter of Andrew Tait Bowie. Contact me by email and I will pass on your details.
Ros
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*sparkle*
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Hello 
I need to have a think about this, as its quite exciting
But I have Margaret Byres and Andrew Bowie in my tree.
My g. grandfather was James Tait Bowie who married Barbara Hogg (my Nana ) (lived Hawick, m. 18.12.1914 )
His father was Henry Bowie who married Elizabeth Cochrane. (30.5.1879)
Henrys father was Andrew who married Margaret Byres as mentioned.
Now I have Andrew's father as Andrew Bowie (Blacksmith/ Vetrinary Surgeon) and his mother also as Helen Tait. They did not marry.
Father Andrew's Father was William Bowie, also a Blacksmith.
I havent got back any further. But you have just corroborated my research
*Off to celebrate*
Tx
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*sparkle*
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Heres James Tait Bowie (If I get this right, younger brother of Andrew who emigrated?) at Selkirk Common Riding. Wife Barbara is behind him to the right. I dont have any pictures of his Parents, but I have a few more of James if you are interested.
Tx
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Terie
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Hi Sparkle,
thanks for your reply, what a great picture,
so far I believe the children of William Bowie, blacksmith and his wife Margaret Hogg, who were married 3rd Sept 1799,Hawick are;
son John born approx 1800 married Isabella Scott, John died around 1840. 6 known children.
son Andrew born approx 1801 died 1876, your branch.
dau Margaret born approx 1801 married William Kennedy, Margaret died at Jedburgh 1864.
son William born approx 1811married Mary Renelson,1835.
dau Euphemia born approx 1820 married Robert Murray, Euphemia died 1884.
son James born approx 1822 married Agnes Oliver,1860,James died 1870.no known children.
William Bowie,Blacksmith died in Hawick on Jan 9th 1859 age 89years, his parents were John Bowie,Blacksmith and Christina Bowie,ms Watson, informant James Bowie, son.
The OPR shows William Bowie ch 3rd May 1772,Cavers, father John Bowie,
William Bowie was buried at St Mary's Churchyard, Hawick 10th Jan 1859,
his wife Margaret Hogg buried there 19th March 1854 age 80years,
Also buried at St Mary's are William Bowie age 4years,March 1849, and Andrew Bowie age 3 years, June 1843, both sons of William Bowie, Blacksmith and Mary Renelson.
I am not connected to the Bowie family I was just doing some reseach for someone who is and got a bit carried away, any way I know 2 people who are, Don who is from the John Bowie & Isabella Scott branch, and Elspeth who is from the Margaret Bowie & William Kennedy branch.
I have quite a bit of Census info and will send you a PM. also a list of the certificates I have,
Talk later,
Amanda.
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*sparkle*
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Hi Amanda,
I had Margaret Hogg but cant find her parents, only have her down as being born in Sanquar, Dumfriesshire (Ironically not too far from where I went to School...) but I hadn't started to look for their other children. I also didnt have William Bowies parents nor christening.
Am just returning your pm, so long as this wee boy sat on my knee stops pressing the keys with his tractor......................
Tx
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janebowie
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Dear Everyone,
I came across this by chance and am amazed.
My name is Jane Bowie, I'm the daughter of the James Tait Bowie who died in Hawick in November 2005 (and a very fine person he was, still not over losing him). There are indeed still Bowies in Hawick (close relatives of mine), and as regards those of us who have moved away, our hearts, believe me, are still there.
I haven't had time to read in detail all your messages but will send this page to my two sisters who live very near Hawick who will also inform my aunts in Hawick.
There are many Bowies in the Wilton cemetary at Hawick, including my grandfather, Andrew Bowie (died 1947, blacksmith) and Lily Bowie née Douglas, his wife, and my greatgrandparents James Bowie and Mary Best (of Gladstone St, Hawick, as mentioned by Amanda) and my great uncle Thomas Bowie (never married). I'll sit down and try to work out where they all fit into your research.
My family has been in Hawick for hundreds of years, apparently one Walter Bowie was blacksmith at Cavers (a brother of William or perhaps the same person, named by Amanda?) in 1750. A book I have published in 1913 named "Hawick in the early 60s" lists as Burgess in the town:
- Andrew Bowie, blacksmith, admitted as burgess of the town 13th October, 1842
..as having the municipal vote in the town in 1861:
- Andrew Bowie, horse shoer, West Port
I take a guess that we're speaking of the same Andrew Bowie in Amanda's list.
The municipal well in Drumlanrig St (I'll check) was known as Bowie's Well, I believe because the Bowie of that moment, being a blacksmith (what else?) drew his water there for the forge. The Bowies were always damn fine blacksmiths, and my grandfather Andrew Bowie paid dearly for it dying of lung cancer in 1947 in his early fifties.
My father was a veterinary surgeon (born Hawick, 1928, and he knew how to nail a shoe firmly onto a hoof), his father Andrew Bowie was a farrier, his father was James Bowie, apparently either a vet or a farrier, his father was apparently Andrew Bowie. The only male names of living Bowies in my near family that I know of are Andrew and James, we're speaking about a VERY traditional family. The close relationship between the Bowies and horses is renowned in the area. My father was something of a horse whisperer and my sister has the same gift.
The Bowies of Hawick that I know are a close knit clan and my father loved the town with all his heart. Just in case you're interested apparently the surname comes from "Bhuidhe", Gaelic for yellow or fair.
It would be lovely to hear back, I can try to get info regarding any questions you may have about exact dates and addresses.
With regards to all,
Jane Bowie
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*sparkle*
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I've sent you a message
Its great to know theres lots more Bowies out there as my g.grandpa (the other James Tait Bowie) only had one child that survived beyond childhood which was my Granny; Agnes (Nan) Bowie, who was born at Gladstone Street. Our branch of the family is very small...
BTW I just did some google searching and found this:
http://www.scottishcorpus.ac.uk/corpus/search/document.php?documentid=1374
To summarise, a Mr Bowie, Farrier, is mentioned. Could this be your Grandfather?
Regards
Tx
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Terie
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Hi Jane and Sparkle,
thanks for your replies, Jane it is great that we have now have you to fill in some of the details on the Bowie family, I am not connected I'm afraid, well I have one or two family members who married in to the Bowie family way back but you 2 are definitely connected through the family of Andrew Bowie and Margaret Byers, Jane you will see from previous posts where the middle name of Tait comes from, way back to 1827 with the birth of Andrew Bowie,son of Andrew Bowie of Hawick and of Helen Tait of Eilridge,Roberton,born at Eilridge,30th June 1827,
the next entry on the OPR is, James Tait Bowie, son of Andrew Bowie and of Margaret Byers his spouse, born at Eilridge BurnFoot, 10th Jan 1852, baptized 12th April 1852 by the Rev Greenhill,
there is also Janet Bowie born 11th April 1853, baptized 24th Nov 1853, on the same page.
As you will see from previous posts Andrew and Margaret had 11 known children, if you would like more details please let me know, James born 1852 was the eldest son, one son John died May 21st 1870 age 13years at Shiplaw, Cavers, the youngest son was also John born 1871 who married Annie Burns,1899. I will send you a PM,
bye for now,
Amanda.
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janebowie
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Sparkle and Terie:
Yes, that's definitely my grandfather mentioned in the wonderful document written in pure Terie. It's interesting to note that he was given the title of "Mr", apparently he was considered "middle class" in the town despite being an artesan, and at some point was able to buy in partnership Dovemount Motors in Wilton. It was very hard for my grandmother when he died prematurely as he was a tremendous worker and had a big sense of responsibilty towards his family.
It's lovely to know there's what would be considered a "scandal" by certain Victorian elements, ie a son born to an unmarried mother and a father who did his duty by recognising him. Who knows what happened. Did they subsequently marry? Or not? Just human curiosity. Who knows.
There used to be a custom known in Scotland as "bundling" whereby the courting couple were allowed to share a bed at night - but fully clothed and with a bolster over the girl's legs - to allow them to get to know each other better and decide if a marriage was the case. You can imagine that not everyone managed to stay bundled and perhaps it was just too difficult for young Andy and Nell, feisty Borderers that they were.
Jane
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ritchiewilk
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Hi Amanda,
I've been researching my family tree when I came across your message here in Rootschat.
If I am right George Edmondson and Joan Bowie are my g-g-grandparents. They had 8 children. One daughter was called Janet Edmondson b1883 who married a George Henry Cairncross b1884. They had a a daughter named Joan Bowie Cairncross b1910 who married a Richard David Wilkinson b1901 and they are my fathers parents. All these people were born, married and died (my father is still alive) in Hawick.
I don't have any info on any Bowies, apart from Joan, but I do have stuff on the Edmondson side. I will write it out first and check it to make sure its correct and it makes sense then post it here in the next few days.
Ritchie
PS Is Terie short for Terie Bus?
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Wilkinson, Roxburghshire/Lincolnshire
Cairncross, Roxburghshire/Peeblesshire
Edmondson, Roxburghshire/Cumberland
Bowie, Roxburghshire
Young, Roxburghshire
Hogg, Roxburghshire
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Terie
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Hi Ritchie,
thanks for your reply,
Joan Bowie is part of the family I was researching,
she was the youngest child of John Bowie and Isabella Scott, the others were;
Isabella born approx 1826 married 1st William Turnbull,2nd John Ogilvie,she died 1897.
William born approx 1828,died 1888,single.
Walter born approx 1834 married Jane Anderson,1854,5ch,he died 1875.
Margaret born 1836 married Robert Balmer 1855,
Betty born approx 1838,died 1886,lived with Richard Whellans,
Isabella Bowie,Joan's mother died Nov 18th 1876 age 76yrs, buried Nov 20th in the Auld Kirk Yaird,Wilton.
father John Scott,
mother Isabella Scott,ms Turnbull.
on the 1841 census the surname is recorded as Boe in Hawick.
her husband John Bowie born approx 1800 is believed to be the son of William Bowie the blacksmith and Margaret Hogg married 1799,Hawick,John Bowie died around the same time as Joan was born,I could not find him on the 1841 census
look forward to hearing back from you,are you in Hawick or area?
I keep my Edmondson records seperate so will look through them again. If you would like any more Bowie info let me know.
Amanda.
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