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ritchiewilk
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The Border Reivers
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Hi Amanda,
Thanks for the info. It gives me plenty to work on. I only joined roots this weak and already I have been given lots of info on other branches of my family tree. Looks like I will be busy for a while.
I live in Galashiels, Selkirkshire. Its about 18 miles from Hawick. I was brought up in Innerleithen, Peeblesshire. My parents, grandparents and lots of aunts, uncles and cousins come from Hawick.
Whats your connection with Hawick?
I'm going to update my records now. If I need anymore info I'll be in touch
Thanks
Ritchie
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Wilkinson, Roxburghshire/Lincolnshire
Cairncross, Roxburghshire/Peeblesshire
Edmondson, Roxburghshire/Cumberland
Bowie, Roxburghshire
Young, Roxburghshire
Hogg, Roxburghshire
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ritchiewilk
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Posts: 57
The Border Reivers
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Hi Amanda,
Got some info on Edmondsons for you.
Isaac b c1820 in Coldbeck, Cumberland. Married to a Isabella Montgomery.
Children of Isaac & Isabella
George b c1842, m Joan Bowie, d Mar 23 1900 Wilton, Hawick
Richard b c1843, m Elizabeth P
Johanna or Hannah b c1848 Stair, Cumberland
Isaac b c1856, m Jane Bowie June 9 1876, d Feb 16 1924 Dalry & Gorgie, Edinburgh
Children of George & Joan
Cathrine b c1863
John b c1868
Isabella b c1874
Isaac b c1876
Richard b c1878
Elisabeth b c1880
Janet b Sept 13 1883 Wilton, Hawick, m George Henry Cairncross Mar 22 1907 Hawick, d Sept 28 1971
George b c1887
Children of Janet & George Henry
Joan Bowie b1910, m Richard David Wilkinson, d June 29 1999 Hawick.
This takes a direct line up to my grandparents.
Different census records shows the name spelled differently, Edmondson, Edmundson and Edmonstone.
1851 shows the name Johanna but on the 1861 & 1871 census records she is Hannah.
I want to do more research before I give you any more info. I hope to confirm what I have and find more stuff.
Bye for now
Ritchie
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*sparkle*
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Thanks Andrew, have taken a look, but sadly don't look like mine.
Ritchiewilk... looks like we share a link through William Bowie, blacksmith and Margaret Hogg 
I'm not from Hawick, but my Granny was and used to visit a lot while we were wee, but sadly no longer have any relatives to visit so haven't been for a long long time. Another co-incidence is that my Mum was born in Gala, and still have family there
Cheers
Tx
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janebowie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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So I guess I'm a distant relative too, though I haven't worked anything out yet. Jane Bowie
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*sparkle*
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Yes Jane you are definitely a relation too. Did you ever get my reply to your email a wee while ago? No worries if not.
But I believe we are related through Andrew Bowie(b1827) & Margaret Byres (your G.G grandparents, my G.G.G grandparents); their son James Tait Bowie was your G. Grandfather (who married Mary Best)
I'm related through James Tait Bowie's brother Henry Bowie. If I'm right  we are 3rd cousins once removed.
And we are both related to Ritchie through william Bowie and Margaret Hogg; the grandparents of Andrew Bowie (b1827) so 5th cousins +/- a removal... or something
Think I have Bowie headache now.... 
Although not fully up to date my tree is here:
http://rammell.tribalpages.com/?userid=rammell&x=8&y=13
Ritchie - I didn't have John in my tree; but yes Andrew Bowie is the son of William and Margaret. I dont have a birth date for Andrew, but it seems to be about 1804. I will add John in. Do you have a birth date for him? I only had note of the other siblings as they were still living with William and Margaret in the 1841 census.
Cheers
Tx
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ritchiewilk
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Hi,
I don't have a date of birth for John, only his death date 28/5/1841. He should be on the 1841 Scotland census as it was taken in June, unless he was in England at the time, or hospital if he was ill. Were census records taken of people in hospital? I don't know. So far I can't find him.
Cheers
Ritchie
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janebowie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Sorry if my reply is a comment and not more concrete info, but I can't help trying to read the human story behind the dates. It's so sad, this desperate attempt to have a son who must have the name Isaac we can read in the two deceased infants and the third child who lived. It must have been this couple's dearest wish.
How tragic the death of a father only a couple of weeks after his son's birth. A young widow with an infant, not easy in Hawick in those days.
Interesting that someone died in Edinburgh but his son back in Hawick. My grandfather Andrew Bowie also lived for a time in his youth in Edinburgh, but returned to live in Hawick as an adult, going back only when he was on his deathbed to pass away in the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary of lung cancer from his forge in Havelock St (Wilton).
The passing on of a name seems to have been SO important in Hawick, the Bowies in my branch are all James or Andrew, with other names creeping in only for rare third sons.
For anyone who is interested: Hawick at the time many of the Isaacs listed didn't make their second birthday seems to have been suffering economic depression. Many were stocking makers and worked in their own homes, now unable with their hand looms to compete with the Leicester and Nottingham mechanised trade. One Bessie Sanderson, 13, commenced work at 7am and finished at 6pm, after which she did seaming work till 9pm. Her youngest colleague was 8 years old.
One Colin Rae, 11, worked from 6 or 7am till 8pm as a winder, two 45-minute breaks to eat.
May Bell, 7, was a winder in her father's stocking shop and for the rest of the day looked after the younger children.
Very few children attended school after 9 years of age.
(from my wonderful book: Hawick in the early sixties, James Edgar, publ. The Hawick Express Office, 1913)
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ritchiewilk
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Hi,
Thought I would share this with you.
Isaac Edmondsons, b c1820, son George, b c1842, married Joan Bowie, b c1842. They had a daughter, Janet Edmondson, b 1883, who married George Henry Cairncross, b 1884. They had a daughter, Joan Bowie Cairncross, b 1910, who married Richard David Wilkinson, b 1901, my grandfather.
With me so far? Good
Isaacs second son Richard, b c1843 married Elizabeth Pattison Kennedy, b c1849, and they had a son John, b 1892 who married Jessie Hogg Wilkinson, b 1893 who was Richards half sister 
As stated in the first post Joan Bowie was Jane Bowies aunt. Janes father was Walter b 1834, Joans elder brother.
I was trying to work out how aunts, uncles, in laws and cousins would all tie in but I was getting confused. I think I will leave it for another day. 
Ritchie
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son of sandy
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Hi Everybody,
Read your comments with interest,Willam Bowie/Margaret Hogg are my 4x great grandparents,through their daughter Margaret marrying Robert Kennedy,same line as Elspeth.
I have been unable to locate death record of Margarets'brother William,found his wife Marys' death in 1878,can anyone help?
Margaret also had a brother Crosbie,I am sure there were others,but so far have not been able to find them.
Read Ritchies comments about Joan Bowie,she had a sister Elizabeth,[Bessie] who never married,but had quite a few children.
I was born in Duns,but now live in North London.
Gerry.
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