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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 27 January 08 22:25 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Burto on Sunday 27 January 08 21:31 UTC (UK)
Hi,
What does it mean-Buffaloism? My Grandfather was one (either that or his Dad, both had the same forename). I never realised until I was rumaging through some old photos and found some kind of certificate!!!
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If you tell me the bits on the certificate I will help a bit more.
you dont need to copy every thing just the basics esp the handwritten stuff
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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 27 January 08 22:31 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: MaryA on Sunday 27 January 08 21:48 UTC (UK)
Me too!

I recently came across a beautifully coloured certificate which must have been presented to my father, certifying that he had "been duly initiated into the mysteries of BUFFALOISM with all the ancient rites and ceremonies."  on 27th March, 1937.

Arched at the top is "Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes".  Grand Middlesex Banner - an "Eclectic" Lodge No. 219.  (I think this would be likely in the Tottenham Court Road area)

Lovely prints at the bottom of King John signing the Magtna Charta and Queen Elizaqbeth presenting Earl Essex the Banner & Motto of our Order.

What appears to be the motto is on scrolling like ribbon "In things Essential UNITY", "In things Doubtful LIBERTY", "and in all things CHARITY".
Also pictures of what would appear to be statues representing Europe, Asia, Africa and America.

Such a pity it's too large to scan but I would like to know more about what Buffaloism is.

Thanks
Mary

Hi Mary
you are right it is a lovely certificate.
I think Christopher answerd that one.
I dont have much on the G.M.B but i think I have an old directory I will have a look to see if his lodge is in there at least you will know what pub he was drinking in (no we dont ALL drink)
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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 27 January 08 22:35 UTC (UK) »
Aaah, the pub is the clue to the whereabouts is it then?  I'm suspecting the Green Man since mum pointed it out to me once when we were in London, I think it was opposite the Middlesex Hospital where dad worked.

Come to think of it, he probably worked in the Green Man itself for a while before he got the job in the hospital.

Thanks Den
Mary
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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 27 January 08 22:41 UTC (UK) »
If anybody wants to know a litte bit more about the order go to
http://www.westherts.net/bugle.html
download the September issue 5 of the BuGLE A journal that I put together this tells a little more about the order.
you can download any issue's you want if your intrested.
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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 27 January 08 23:02 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: JPB on Sunday 27 January 08 19:25 UTC (UK)
Re James Bond - See earlier today.
I have attached a photo of him in his RAOB regalia.  The bottom logo on the apron says "Order of Merit" whilst the small one at the top of the apron says " "K M O" not sure which is the correct order.
The jewel on the chain (Middle bottom) says RAOB
I believe the photo could have been taken in about 1917 & was taken by a photographer in Barry, South Wales. He lived in Barry or Cadoxton near Cardiff.
I also have a small wooden box containing a seal "B" with wax pieces & on the lid is the same logo as on the top of the apron "K M O" . Around the logo on the box is "Sir J Bond".
Hope you can shed some light on this ancestor.
Thanks for your help so far.
John

Hi John still not worked out the other 2 jewles but they are all Grand Lodge of England!
I can only find two lodges in Barry in 1920 (i dont have an older one)
2488 Henry Gethin Lodge Lewis Park hotel Barry Friday's
2869 Victory Lodge Castle Hotel Barry Dock Monday's
you might be able to find a bit more from Grand Lodge (GLE) address earlier
not sure what the box is
if you can read RAOB on the collar I cant, could you try a better pic just of the jewels even
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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 27 January 08 23:26 UTC (UK) »
Mary
The only Directory I have for GMB, Grand Middlesex Banner is 1930 which does fit in his time.
219 Electric lodge The King and Queen Cleveland St W1 Wednesday's
I dont know if any records are avalible for GMB (most of the smaler Banners dont have old records)
if you want to know what sort of Jewels he Might have had I posted a Picture of a GMB Buffalo funeral.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,273013.0.html
sorry I cant help that much
Den
To anyone that knows someone in the buffs its always worth searching their name on Ebay as loads of jewels come up every week.
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« Reply #21 on: Monday 28 January 08 15:09 UTC (UK) »
I looked up Cleveland Street on streetmap and it runs parallel to Tottenham Court Road and so within spitting distance almost from the Middlesex Hospital where he worked, so this seems very likely.

Unfortunately after he and mum married and a few years after this he returned to Liverpool and so far as I'm aware he didn't continue his membership up here, which seems a shame, so I shouldn't think he had any jewels.

Thanks for your help and interest Den,  it's given me a bit of insight into my dad that I never knew.

Mary
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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #22 on: Monday 28 January 08 17:42 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: whittenbury on Sunday 27 January 08 22:25 UTC (UK)
Hi Burto
If you tell me the bits on the certificate I will help a bit more.
you dont need to copy every thing just the basics esp the handwritten stuff
Den
Hi thanks for all the information...I don't have the certificate to hand as it's at my parents but will be there on Friday so I'll make some notes!
I would like to frame it. Did the groups meet in pubs then? My Granddad's Dad owned a pub! Saying that my Grandma was a singer and performed for the troops in the war as well as working on stage at the Royal Variety etc. and worked in a theatre-is there a link? Granddad never performed.
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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #23 on: Monday 28 January 08 17:55 UTC (UK) »
Personly I think the link to the theartre is a myth.
most lodges did and still meet in pubs, the most probable reason for him joining is lodges encouraged the landlord into joining the order, one reason is he would enjoy the company and not just decide he wanted the room for something else. He might also have been the Lodge City Waiter, as he would not have to que at the bar Grin
If you know what pub it was & what year I might be able to work out what lodge
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« Reply #24 on: Monday 28 January 08 18:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi Whittenbury,
Just sent you a personal message.
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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #25 on: Monday 28 January 08 23:23 UTC (UK) »
Hi Den
I have tried to get a close up of the jewels but it does not make it any clearer. Looking closely at the photograph, the bottom jewel on the chain (not the two below) definitely has an R slanted to the left & an O slanted to the right & what looks like an A in the middle.
Not sure if this helps. I will try the GLE.
Thanks
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Re: R.A.O.B. or Buffaloes
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 00:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi John
Yes that one is RAOB
The far right is his Knights Jewel
I cant match the other two
Sorry I cant be much help But I will keep searching
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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 21:48 UTC (UK) »
I just wanted to say thank you for this thread.  My step-grandfather was in the RAOB and so too were some of my great uncles.  I know my father has a lot of cards from different lodges that his step-father (Robert Ross) visited while in the Merchant Navy.  I must make sure I have another look through them when I next go up to Hull.

According to my father his uncle, William Waters, was quite high up in the RAOB in Hull and when he died a lot of RAOB members went to his funeral, but we know nothing more.   His brother Harry Waters was also possibly in the RAOB and I think there used to be meetings at the pub he ran, the Magna Charta in New Holland, just across the Humber from Hull. 

I'd love to find out more about any of these and will certainly look at the links you've posted to get some background information.
Fiona
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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 22:06 UTC (UK) »
Hi Fiona
have a look at the Hull Website
http://beehive.thisishull.co.uk/default.asp?WCI=SiteHome&ID=3580&PageID=76255
It has a guest book on there (you never know someone might remember them)
Many brothers have naval links & their site has a bit about that aswell
What years are we talkin about?
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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 22:13 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Den, I'll have a look at that site.

I dont have exact dates to hand but I think William died in the 1970's and had been a member for many years.  Harry emmigrated to Australia in the 1960's and my grandfather died in 1981.

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