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rayjoan
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Dear Anne:
Thank you so very much for your offer of help. It is very much appreciated. I do hope you are able to find something.
Regards
Joan.
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Marmaduke 123
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Hello Joan
No luck with your Tabitha Merritt I'm afraid. I checked the registers for all three of the Reading parish churches, no Merritts or similar at all in the right time frame.
Your date for the marriage at St Giles is correct, witnesses William Allen and Joseph Baylis. The latter is a churchwarden or similar, he witnesses very many marriages at the time.
It looks as if Tabitha didn't come from Reading, sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Anne
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rayjoan
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Dear Anne:
Thanks so much for the lookup. You are probably right that she didn't come from Reading. The IGI does not contain the name in the same time frame in Berkshire or any other county so it's unlikely I'll find her.
As to the witnesses at the marriage, thank you so much for that! I didn't have that. Thanks also for the information about the church warden.
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Joan.
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rayjoan
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Dear David, Jill and Anne:
Thank you all so much for your assistance in searching for my "Tabitha Merritt".
I have always found the listers on Rootschat ready to assist when asked.
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Joan.
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jillruss
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Hi Joan,
Don't give up!
I'm still not clear whether you actually have the details for James baptism, but from what you say it would have been about 1790 (age 93 at death in 1883) and his mother was named Elizabeth. This baptism from the IGI looks promising -
baptised 26 April 1789 in Stanford-Dingley, Berks John son of Elizabeth Allen (so presumably illegitimate).
Stanford-Dingley is about 12-14 miles from Reading and - this is very interesting - only about 3 miles from Bradfield, which is the place where I found quite a few Merritt burials on the Berkshire Burial Index.
Looking on the IGI and in particular the Hugh Wallis pages, the baptism coverage for Bradfield seems to stop in 1754. It might be worth asking if someone could check the Bardfield PRs for you. No guarantees, but I'd have thought it was worth a try.
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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rayjoan
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Hi again, Jill:
I do not have the details of James' baptism. I was going with abt. 1792. I had thought at first (see IGI) it was the James Woods, bap. in 1792 at Reading as in all the censuses he gives his birth place as Reading. BUT, the mother in this case is "Mary". I thought that to be right for a while but when I finally got the 1841 census, his mother is living with him and her name is Elizabeth. So that threw a wrench into that assumption.
I did not know that Stanford-Dingley was so close to Reading. Thanks for that information. If your assumption is right, then it would not be impossible for him to hook up with Tabitha in Bradfield. I shall certainly consider that option.
I wonder if I should use the Berkshire list to ask for someone to check the PRs or should I ask on this site?
Joan
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Marmaduke 123
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Hello Joan
I shall be going to the Berkshire record office again soon, possibly next week unless my films come in to the FHC.
I'm happy to look at Bradfield for you as I need to look at it myself!
Anne
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Bintcliffe, Simpson, Taylor, Tempest, Gee, Singleton, Helm,
Summerscales, Baldwin,,Bolton, Kitson, Gledhill, Lockwood,
Chadwick, Brearley, Gaukrodger
All from Halifax/Huddersfield area of West Yorkshire
Hopton Gloucestershire
Millinchip Worcestershire
Francis Monmouthshire
Walker Wiltshire
Springall Bucks
Mickle Berkshire
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behindthefrogs
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Don't be led into the trap that because a woman of the right age to be his mother was living with him in 1841 that she was his mother. She might be but with no relationships in that census she could equally be an aunt.
David
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Living in Berkshire. Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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rayjoan
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David:
Do you know, I may well have fallen into that trap. I am only assuming it's his mother. Strangely, a young man named William is also seen living with them and I thought I'd figured out it is his nephew. So why couldn't Elizabeth be his aunt, rather than his mother? Oh my, more confusion.
Thanks so much for that. That may change the whole thing again for me. With the help of all of you, I may get my puzzles solved eventually!
Joan.
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rayjoan
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Dear Anne:
I would so much appreciate you looking at Bradfield for me. It seems I am now looking for James born in Bradfield (or the area) and possibly for some "Merrett" names buried there who may be attached to Tabitha.
If David is right and the Elizabeth on the 1841 is an aunt, then I'm back to the James on the IGI who was baptised in Reading in 1792. In either case, in this particular baptism, the IGI lists James' mother as "Mary". In the case of the William who is 23, he could be a nephew or a son.
Joan.
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Oh Jill!
I have mulled over these names so many times, I'm dizzy. 
On the 1841 Census, James Allen, 43 (there again I was told the 1841 census ages are within 5 years -- ? -- and this would make him born in 1798); Sarah, 30 (his second wife); but again, the age is wrong. Then there is William, 23, shoemaker; Elizabeth, 71; Mary, 18; Betsey, 5. All are given the surname ALLEN. In Elizabeth's case, it reads Elizabeth do 71 and an N to connote she wasn't born in that county.
I have a Mary Ann chr. 1822, James & Tabitha's daughter and I have an Elizabeth, b. 1836 who is James and Sarah's daughter. The William is a puzzle as it could be a son or a nephew but he is listed directly under Sarah at age 23.
As to David suggesting that Elizabeth might be an aunt, I realize that he was suggesting only. I just hadn't ever thought of that and I should have. She could be a boarder for all of that. I supposed it was his mother as the child's name is also Elizabeth (called Betsey).........I guess I need to learn not to make assumptions! This genealogy stuff can turn around on a dime.
As to the William baptised in Reading in 1817 -- he may very well BE the William on the census. I have him in my file -- if I ever get this family straightened out. By the way, a very important piece of information is that the address is constant -- East Street., if that counts for anything.
As to the possible clerk error, considering that so many women were named Mary Elizabeth and Mary Catherine and Mary something-else..........it is entirely possible that a woman was called Elizabeth or Betsey but had two names that were not both recorded or a clerk just took the first name.
I am becoming so confused and I would love to be able to get them straightened out!!!
Ten years later, in 1851, the family is at 10 East Street. James is 59, Sarah is 51 (exactly the right ages in this census); Elizabeth is 15 and now there's Martha, age 7. Martha was present at James' death. Elizabeth died before James did. There is also James Tucker, a nephew, aged 4. I could not find anything pertaining to James Tucker. I found a James Tucker on the IGI baptised 1 Apr 1849 at St. Mary Reading. His parents were John Tucker and Hannah -- maybe James had a sister named Hannah. I could not find a marriage on the IGI for John Tucker and Hannah.
In 1861, Elizabeth and her husband, Richard Shails, are living with James and Sarah.
In 1871, Martha and her husband, Thomas Gaskin, are living with James and Sarah.
In 1881, James and Sarah are living alone at ages 88 and 82.
The address for 1861 & 1871 is 10 East Street and for 1881, it's 34 East Street.
Joan.
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rayjoan
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Dear Newburychap:
Thank you for the information regarding the Bradfield CD. I may have to consider that if I find my rellies are in Bradfield.
As I live in Canada, I have to be careful what I buy as pound sterling becomes twice as many dollars for me.
Thank you again,
Joan.
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Marmaduke 123
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Hello Joan
I went to Berkshire record office yesterday, so had a look for your Tabitha Merrit/Merrick/Meyrick in Bradfield. Sorry, no luck, in fact I didn't see any baptisms of that name or similar between 1780 and 1800. No Allens either!
There was a marriage of a John Merrit/Hannah Smith on 29 Jan 1790, witnesses Sarah Street and James Gardner. The latter appears to be a "professional" witness. No baptisms to this couple in Bradfield.
Also banns were called for Richard Allen/Ann Goodenough of Englefield in Sep 1788. The marriage duly took place in Englefield (I checked) on 3 Oct 1788.
Also in Bradfield, William Allen married Elizabeth Marcham on 23 Aug 1788. Witnesses John Wigmore and the above James Gardner. No baptisms in Bradfield for this couple either.
Food for thought?
Anne
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Bintcliffe, Simpson, Taylor, Tempest, Gee, Singleton, Helm,
Summerscales, Baldwin,,Bolton, Kitson, Gledhill, Lockwood,
Chadwick, Brearley, Gaukrodger
All from Halifax/Huddersfield area of West Yorkshire
Hopton Gloucestershire
Millinchip Worcestershire
Francis Monmouthshire
Walker Wiltshire
Springall Bucks
Mickle Berkshire
Day, Ven Somerset
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