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Charles and Fanny Fache
« on: Sunday 20 January 08 17:08 GMT (UK) »
Charles Tache b 1862 Poplar, Middlesex
Fanny Tache    b 1864 Bromley, Middlesex
Mother was Fanny unknown c 1843 Yarmouth.
1871 census shows Fanny married to John Purdy b c1850 Mile End Middlesex.
Charles and Fanny are listed as Step children.
James and Fanny were married c 1870 and their first child was born in 1872.
I can`t find any info on Fanny and her children, Charles and Fanny.
Please help,
Regards, Nicola
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Northam, Billing(s), Trickey, Sprague, Woodbury, Hallett, Pike, Stamp, Hart All Devon Somerset area.
Hastie, Tait, Clark, Bryson, Edminson, Burgon,  Dickson, Adamson, Hendry, JeffreyAll Berwick area.
Archer, Purdy, Pitts, Grooms, Lomax, Smith, Poulton, Luddington, Daniels, Atkinson all Tottenham area
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 January 08 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Nicola - 1871 is JOHN Purdey .....


I see that Fanny was born in Yarmouth - 1881 census - do you think the Smith in residence with her (also from Yarmouth) was a relation  ?
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 January 08 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: The Newfster on Sunday 20 January 08 17:22 GMT (UK)
I see that Fanny was born in Yarmouth - 1881 census - do you think the Smith in residence with her (also from Yarmouth) was a relation  ?

I can answer that! She's her aunt (ref. 1891 and 1901)  Wink
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 January 08 17:47 GMT (UK) »
excellent mon brave !

so as she's unmarried, is she the sister of Fanny's mother or Father ?
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 20 January 08 17:49 GMT (UK) »
going back in the census and also a quick root thru BMDs doesnt show TACHE - wonder if its Italian, mispelled, or perhaps even TACK  Huh
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 20 January 08 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Can you see a marriage Newf?  Huh

Have you found the birth references for the later kids, Nicola? I think you'll need one of those certs to find out more  Undecided
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 20 January 08 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Agree Tati - think thats the way forward for this - hopefully Fanny will show all previous names ....
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 January 08 18:10 GMT (UK) »
At least they were registered as Purdy  Tongue

Fanny Elizabeth V Purdy
Dec 1873 Poplar 1c 682

John James L Purdy
Jun 1872 Poplar 1c 690
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 March 08 15:30 GMT (UK) »
Charles and Fanny Tache are not the same Children as John and Fanny Purdy.
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Northam, Billing(s), Trickey, Sprague, Woodbury, Hallett, Pike, Stamp, Hart All Devon Somerset area.
Hastie, Tait, Clark, Bryson, Edminson, Burgon,  Dickson, Adamson, Hendry, JeffreyAll Berwick area.
Archer, Purdy, Pitts, Grooms, Lomax, Smith, Poulton, Luddington, Daniels, Atkinson all Tottenham area
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 09 March 08 15:54 GMT (UK) »
Good to see you back, Nicola  Wink

I think we are well aware of that Smiley

Given that we can't see any BMDs for the name Tache, we were hoping that the only birth registrations that we can actually find (= for the children she had with John Purdy, post 1870) would reveal Fanny's earlier name(s) as something slightly different from Tache.

You mention that Fanny and John Purdy were married in 1870 but Newf and I couldn't find a marriage - have YOU actually found it?  Smiley
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #10 on: Monday 10 March 08 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Yes welcome back !

You are most welcome !

As Tati has outlined, stumped w/o that info.

Talk to you again in the summer .....

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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 14:29 GMT (UK) »
freebmd has:

Charles Robert Sumner Fache, b. Mar 1861 quarter Poplar (possibly d. 1900 in Islington, aged 40. On 1881 census as married to an Emily - marriage is possibly the one listed under 'Fach').
Fanny Victoria Fache, b. Mar 1863 quarter Poplar (d. Jun 1872 quarter Poplar - presumably the next daughter was named after her).
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 14:41 GMT (UK) »
In addition, there is a:

Frances Elizabeth Smith Sumner, b. Jun 1840 quarter, Gt Yarmouth district. Also Samuel William Smith Sumner, b. Sep 1841 quarter, Gt Yarmouth district.

and a very confusing family in 1861:

27 Scale St, All Saints Poplar
RG 9/307 143/13

Elizabeth Sumner, widow, 43, Independant, b. Yarmouth
Samuel, son, 20, painter, b. dit
William, son, 18, whitesmith, b. dit
James, son, 9, scholar, b. dit
Jane 'Tash' (could be Fach?), dau, 21, b. dit. (dittoed down as unmarried).
Elizabeth Sumner, dau, 17, b. dit
Eliza, dau, 15, b. dit
Alice, dau, 7, b. dit
Frances, sister, 36, b. dit
John Fatter (?), son ('brother' crossed out), 4M, b. dit
Robert Smith, brother, 42, Whitesmith, b. dit.


Possibly Frances here is Frances Smith in later censuses. The youngest child might be an illegitimate son of Frances or a grandson of Elizabeth or even Charles Robert Sumner Fache?
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 14:48 GMT (UK) »
OMG Jorose!!! How DID you do it !!! Shocked  Excellent  Cool Cool
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Re: Charles and Fanny Tache
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Magic powers.  Tongue

...

No, actually, first name search for Charles in Poplar for 1861-63 on freebmd, looked for anything ending 'ache'. Some old style capital letters can be very hard to distinguish.

Still can't find any marriages for Frances aka Jane aka Fanny aka who knows what else...
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