wag
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Am researching 'Catherine (Kate) Mansbridge' born Winchester about 1840 and died, New Malden about 1909
Would like to find out where and what she was doing BEFORE she married
railway worker, Harry Hayward in 1872. For example did she have any children prior to this marriage?
Can anyone help?
Thanks
WAG
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lizdb
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I am struggling to find her in 1871 census. Do you have her marriage cert? If so, what is name and occupation of father?
And just to confirm a few facts rather than "about" dates:
Birth:
Jan/Feb/MAr 1840 Catherine Jane MAnsbridge
Winchester reg district
Marriage:
oct/Nov/Dec 1872
Guildford reg distr
Kate JAne Mansbridge
also on page HArry James Hayward
Cant find death on freeBMD
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wag
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Yes, I cannot find her in 1871 either.
no - don't have a marriage cert.
yes - I concur with your general facts
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lizdb
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No doubt you have her in 1881;
RG11 839 95 23
High Street Thames Ditton
Harry j Hayward 27 Station Agent bn Dorset
Kate J 37 wife bn Winchester
Frederick 7 son bn Surrey Virginia Water
Herbert 3 son "
Edith W 11 dtr bn Isle of Wight
Now, as they were married 1872, Edith was born before the marrriage. If she is Harry's dtr from a previous marriage he was only 16 when she was born. So it is more likely, as Kate is older, that Edith was Kates, but Harry has just accepted her as daughter.
Is this what you were getting at in your first post?
Next step is to find young Edith's birth - and look for her in 1871.
Have you done this yet? I dont want to duplicate what has already been done
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wag
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Yes I agree.
Have been searching for Edith.
A possible candidate (Edith Mansbridge) turns up on the IOW, 1870.
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lizdb
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Aha
Edith Isabel Mansbridge
Ap/May/Jun 1870
Isle of Wight
That looks like her,doesnt it? I will just go back to 1881 and see if the middle initial W could be an I
I think you will be best getting this birth cert to check out her parentage!
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wag
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Yes, the middle name spoils the party.
Have also been looking whether this Edith ever got married - nothing found yet.
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lizdb
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Found baby Edith Mansbridge in 1871!
RG10 1167 42 28
St Helens Hampshire
Frank Dash 40 Porter
Priscilla DAsh 31 wife
Edith Mansbridge 10 months nurse child bn IWShanklin
The question is - is this the daughter of Kate?
Need that birth cert!
Looks likely, as Kates daughter is clearly stated as 'born Isle of Wight' in 1881
I wouldnt rule anything out on the strength of that middle initial. Yes, it is a W , but he could have just been repeating the W from the line above as Herberts middle initial was a W.
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wag
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I think it is.
The IOW helps to narrow the search.
Will get the birth cert.
Edith and her 2 brothers are proving difficult to trace.
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silvery
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Kate is in Kings Worthy in 1851 with family - I'll put it up just in case
william 36 thatcher
Elizabeth 49 b Newbury
Kate 11
Leah 9
Jane 7
Rhoda 3
all b Kings Worthy HO107/1673/136/11
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lizdb
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Have you got HArry in 1871?
RG10 1997 8
Railway Station Moreton
John Lane Railway Porter
Ellen LAne wife
Harry Hayward 17 boarder Telegraph Clerk, bn Mainhull Dorset
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wag
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yes I have seen that.
What I find odd is that Kate was so much older than Harry?
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silvery
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1891 Virginia Water
Harry J 37 railway station master
Kate K 45
Frederick T 17 railway clerk
Herbert W 13
E Horsley
sub reg Albury rg12/558/56/12
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lizdb
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These things happen!
Now - I have a possible candidate for a Married Edith in 1891:
47 South something Street
St George Hanover Sq London
H/H of a Emily Clark, a Lodging housekeeper (h/h has several lodgers)
Edith Kempe married 21 bn Sandown Isle of Wight
now to hunt for a marriage!!
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wag
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Yes, by 1891 Kate is telling porkypies about her age.
Am looking at Edith Kempe
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