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Trees
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Do you have any dates for the Sarahs Hughes and Caddick I assume you have seen that there are several in the Family Search parish register transcript C010562?
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DudleyWinchurch
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Hi Roy and Trees,
what a good idea to add links to local resources here too.
Don't forget www.FREEREG.org already has a lot of trascriptions for Bilston (and also for Wolverhampton, St Peter's where many of the marriages took place).
Also the Wolverhampton Archives web site not only has older register transcriptions for Bilston, St Leonard's and W'ton, St Peters but also lists of the victims and the families receiving groceries (presumably because they were quarantined) during the 1832 Bilston Cholera epidemic.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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Trees
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Thanks for that Dudley I think this is the link we need http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Bilston/index.html
Wish I'd found that Cholera information when I was preparing my page on the disease for our web wouldn't it be wonderful if we could access all parish records like these?
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DudleyWinchurch
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Just done a quick trawl through the first set of images I have from Holy Trinity register and found a few records wth names that have been mentioned here. If they belong to any of you then let me know and I can transcribe them properly.
December 1841, Daniel Caddick s/o John and Mary(Maria) Manney, godmother Ellen (Helena) Caddick
March 1843 John Nicholls (or could be Nicholds) godfather to David Barwick s/o Patrick and Margaret (Reigney)
Aug 1851, Denis Durkan witness to marrige of Ambrose Cummins and Mary Ann Regan
June 1839 John Durkan s/o Patrick & Bridget (McDonney)
Dec 1846, John Durkin godfather to Catherine McDonough d/o Richard & Bridget (Fagan)
Oct 1852, Patrick Durkin, godfather to Mary Fahi d/o John & Mary (or Maria) (Kelly)
The handwriting is not good and some of the pages badly faded so apologies in advance for inaccuracies.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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Trees
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I got excited thought I'd found my Joseph 1789 from the 51 census it looked like he was son of Thomas & Elizabeth until I saw his death the nearest is Joseph son of Joseph and Martha 1793 I wonder is he too far out though I think he dies between the 51 and 61 censuses probably in Willenhall must find his death to confirm his birth year.
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RoDe
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Hi Roy and Trees, what a good idea to add links to local resources here too. Don't forget www.FREEREG.org already has a lot of transcriptions for Bilston (and also for Wolverhampton, St Peter's where many of the marriages took place). Also the Wolverhampton Archives web site not only has older register transcriptions for Bilston, St Leonard's and W'ton, St Peters but also lists of the victims and the families receiving groceries (presumably because they were quarantined) during the 1832 Bilston Cholera epidemic.
Cheers
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Bilston:- Betts/Hughes/Caddick/Wilde
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Trees
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Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yours
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors
Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
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Trees
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Ignore the last of course you are after Abraham T not Thomas Harris there is an Abraham T on the 1881 in Bilston he is son of John Hnry !852and Sarah RG11 2813 sc 44 Bilston St 2 Smith's buildings They have Hannah 5 and Sarah E 3
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jacquelineve
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Thanks to you both Dudley + Dartmoor for Durkin info,
sadly can't see a connection to my D's.
Your time appreciated.
Jackie.
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RoDe
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Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yours
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors
Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees
Hi Trees Thanks very much for the info. Looks a good shot. Firstly my grandfather was born at 2 Bilston Street, Millfields but can't find this Bilston Street on the A-Z, only Bilston Street names in other areas of Wolverhampton/Darlaston/Wednesfield. It most likely has been redeveloped but will be checking this out at Wolverhampton archives in due course. Although the John Henry above was living at number 65 in 1891 the family may well have moved between my grandfathers birth in 1880 and 1891. Secondly, the age looks right for John Henry who was born in 1851. The one year difference could be accounted for by age rounding up at the time the census was taken. Thirdly, my grandfather's birth certificate shows his father (John Henry) as Ironworker. Fourthly, although my great great gradfather (Abraham) had a daughter called Mary she would have been aged 32 in 1891 so the Mary shown above can't be great grandfathers daughter. Lastly, John Henry's wife was Sarah Hughes so could well have been related to the other Hughes shown. A tenuous link is that of John Henry's daughters Sarah and Fanny. Great great granddad (Abraham) also had daughters in 1861 with the same names. There seems to be a history of naming Harris children after ancestors (three Abrahams in four generations). Very original the Harris clan. On the question of census returns I haven't yet really been delving into this very much but will have to start very soon. Again, thanks very much for the information. Hope I can return the favour in due course. Rgds Roy |
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RoDe
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Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yours
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors
Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees
Hi Trees Thanks very much for the info. Looks a good shot. Firstly my grandfather was born at 2 Bilston Street, Millfields but can't find this Bilston Street on the A-Z, only Bilston Street names in other areas of Wolverhampton/Darlaston/Wednesfield. It most likely has been redeveloped but will be checking this out at Wolverhampton archives in due course. Although the John Henry above was living at number 65 in 1891 the family may well have moved between my grandfathers birth in 1880 and 1891. Secondly, the age looks right for John Henry who was born in 1851. The one year difference could be accounted for by age rounding up at the time the census was taken. Thirdly, my grandfather's birth certificate shows his father (John Henry) as Ironworker. Fourthly, although my great great gradfather (Abraham) had a daughter called Mary she would have been aged 32 in 1891 so the Mary shown above can't be great grandfathers daughter. Lastly, John Henry's wife was Sarah Hughes so could well have been related to the other Hughes shown. A tenuous link is that of John Henry's daughters Sarah and Fanny. Great great granddad (Abraham) also had daughters in 1861 with the same names. There seems to be a history of naming Harris children after ancestors (three Abrahams in four generations). Very original the Harris clan. On the question of census returns I haven't yet really been delving into this very much but will have to start very soon. Again, thanks very much for the information. Hope I can return the favour in due course. Rgds Roy An afterthought. Thomas Hughes could be a brother of John Henry's wife Sarah.
Hi again Trees
Apologies. Didn't totally look at the information from your earlier post but having now done so it has probably answered another, previously unanswered, question.
My sister has said to me that our grandfather, Abraham Thomas, had said to her as a young girl that his mother was french but I have already disproved this as his mothers name was Sarah Hughes which I have already stated is almost certainly the same Sarah Hughes on the 1891 census. What has now taken my attention is Mary J. Hughes born 1821 in France. Could this be Sarah Hughes' mother and the french connection I would in due course have been looking for? The age would be about right to be Sarah's mother.
The link therefore is - grandfather Abraham Thomas Harris B.1880---------father John Henry Harris B.1851---------wife Sarah Hughes B.1851--------her mother Mary J. Hughes B.1821 France
I am assuming that the Hughes and Harris families were related by marriage.
Looks as though I will have to take a trip to France at some time in the future.
Thanks very much again for the excellent detective work.
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Dartmoor
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DAVIES * MAHER * MOORHOUSE * STENTON * MAYBANK
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Hi Bilston Friends & Neighbours!
Please let me know if you come across this MAHER family in your Bilston research:
Daniel (born 1798-1806 Ireland - died before 1871)
Mary (born 1801-1811 Ireland - died before 1871)
Henry (born about 1836 Grays Essex) Married to Ann Children Henry and Daniel
Charlotte (born about 1839 Staffordshire - died before 1851)
John (born 26th March 1842 Bilston died 1902) Married Ellen Humm 9 Children born in London
James (born about 1846 Bilston)
Ellen (born about 1761 Ireland died before 1851)
Thomas (born 1806 Ireland)
The name is pronouced Marr rather than M'her and is often written phonetically. Variants I've found include:
MAHER, MARR, MAR, MARS, MARE, MEAR, MAYER, MAYOR, MYERS, MEIR, MEAGHER, MEIER
The labouring iron and coal workers family lived on Oxford Street, Bilston.
All help is very much appreciated! 
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