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DudleyWinchurch
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For Dartmoor,
Back at the Archives last week, in the registers for Bilston, Holy Trinity, I've found:
a marriage for Henry Marr to Ellen Watson, wit: Elizabeth Bullock, Thomas (Turnile?) Aug 12th, 1845 (you'd need the cert for full details as they only put brief notes in the church register
baptism (3rd jan 1847) for Dinah d/o Henrici & Helena (nee Watson) born 27th Dec 1846, godparents Joannes (John) Davis, Maria (could be Maria or Mary) Morrison
baptism (29th Jan 1840) for Sharlotte Mahea d/o Danielis & Sharlotte (is that an error, or did she have more than one name, or was he married twice?) (nee LucNehean?), born 26th Jan 1840, godparents: Joannes Mehea, Jane Mehea
baptism (2nd July 1841) for Joannes Marr s/o Joannis & Margarita Marr (nee Luckman?) godp: Dennis Marr, Allis Marr, born 1st July 1841 (could this be same family or close relatives?)
Baptism (17th Apr 1842) Joannis Marr s/o Danielis & Maria Marr (nee Luignain?) born 26/3/1842, godm: Helena Smith
baptism (16/8/1844) James Marr s/o Daniel & Mary (nee LochMahen), born 8/8/1844, godp: Thomas Ryan, Alice Maher
I have some pics but quality variable, if you'd like to PM me an email address.
It certainly gives you a flavour of the variability of these (semi-latinised) registers. Translations above are mine.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
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Beetle
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Hallo Sheila
My great-grandfather brought up his family in Bilston, and I have found it difficult to gather information about them, so you can imagine how thrilled I was to come across this thread! I live south of London, and have not yet even visited the Black Country.
This is what I know.
Eugene Owen SMITH (later referred to as simply Owen Smith), a Roman Catholic, emigrated to Staffordshire from Lahard, County Cavan, Ireland at the age of 22 in 1853, so he was born in 1831. He was appointed to the Staffordshire Police.
He married Selina NAYLOR, from Sedgley, in the Catholic chapel in Oxford Street, Bilston, on 19th January 1858, when they were both about 26 years old.
Owen was promoted to segeant in 1861, and in that year's census was living in the Police Station, 3 Mount Pleasant Road, Bilston. In 1871 the family is living in West Bromwich, and in 1881 they are back in Bilston, at 5 Vine Street. I believe in fact they were in Bilston from 1874 until at least 1882, when Owen died at home at the age of 50 from peritonitis.
Working from the censuses, the family of Owen and Selina SMITH was:
Elizabeth Annie Smith, born 1859, dressmaker.
John Thomas Smith, born in Bilston on 3rd June 1860. He married Ruth Williams in Sedgley on 23rd May 1881. Iron shingler.
Eugene Samuel Smith, born 1862 in Wolverhampton. He married Elizabeth Helen GILES in the parish church of Bilston on 5th March 1893. The address for both of them was Mountford Lane, Bilston. Eugene may have been known as Sam, and his occupation is given as clothier. In the 1891 census Elizabeth is down as as boot machinist. She died in 1899, and Eugene subsequently married Florence BROWN in Wolverhampton.
Joseph Henry SMITH, born 1864, iron shingler.
Mary Selina SMITH, born 1866.
Agnes SMITH, born 1870.
Francis Clement SMITH, my grandfather, born 28th March 1874 in Bilston. Francis enlisted in the North Staffordshire Regiment in 1893, and served a term of 12 years as a private, seeing service in the Sudan and in India. His occupation is given variously as confectioner, chef/baker or ship's cook. He re-enlisted on 20th September 1914 in Valcartier, near Quebec, as a Canadian Dragoon, and was invalided out after being wounded at Ploegh Street in 1915. He never returned to Bilston, as far as I know. His marriage and family life was not a success, and he committed suicide in London in 1932.
I have practically no oral history of Francis Clement Smith, other than that his mother-in-law said it was "not worth taking the time to bury him". I should be very grateful if anyone can help me fill out these bare facts.
Best wishes
Beetle.
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Tilts in Surrey and Sussex
Smiths in Bilston, Staffs
Naylors in Sedgley, Staffs
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ricoba
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Hi,I have a William Clarke dob c1855 born in Bilston.I think ?the one I am after was in Smith St in 1861aged 6 .Trouble is there were a few William Clarkes born around that year.Can not find a marriage for him to check fathers name.''my''William joined Kings Royal Rifle corps in 1876.
does this fit in with anyone? thanks
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Dartmoor
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DAVIES * MAHER * MOORHOUSE * STENTON * MAYBANK
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Thank you, Shelia, so much for finding these in the Holy Trinity Church! It was very kind of you to look and is much appreciated.
It is difficult when the names are written in Latin with strangle phonetic spelling but looking at your discoveries I can see three of Daniel MAHER and Mary LINGUIAN's children: Charlotte (Sharlotte Mahea 1840), John (Joannis Marr 1842) and James (James Marr 1844).
There is a steady pattern of names so that keep coming up in the records. Possibilities include: John and Henry maybe Daniel's brothers (naming his children after his siblings). John's wife maybe Daniel Maher's wife sister (similar name).
Curiously there is no mention of Thomas Maher who was staying with the family on the 1851 census. He was listed as a visitor so don't know if he was related or not.
On the 1841 census Ellen was living with Daniel's family. She was born about 1761 and so could be his mother. She died sometime before 1851 so maybe in the Holy Trinity death records.
Just out of interest, are there any indications as to where in Ireland any of the families you've found have come from? Doing a Goggle search I found that MAHER and variants seem to be most popular in Tipperary? Could this be so for my family?
I haven't had much luck with Daniel's oldest son, Henry, who was possibly born/baptised in Grays Essex. Having posted a note on the Essex board I was told there weren't any Roman Catholic churches in the Grays. More work needed to pin him down.
It would be great to see the photos of the records. I've sent you a PM with my e-address. Thanks again. It's been a fantastic help!
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Bizziebod
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Hi, new to this site. Has anyone come across the surname LOVE in their searches around Bilston? married to a Margaret DURKIN in 1922 (Have contacted Jacquelineve about this surname). Only found this name link last night and have trawled ancestory but to no avail.
Thanks
Sharon
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jacquelineve
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Sharon
I'm presuming you have the 1901 census info re.
Joseph Love (Margarets husband?)
Was Margaret Michaels(1876)daughter? if so,appears she
was named after his mother,if earlier census info is correct.
Jackie.
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Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs Harts Hill: Baggot Wright Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson Derbyshire:Wilcockson Derby Belper:Spencer Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs. Hodgetts Radnorshire: Meredith Bristol Somerset: Box Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Bizziebod
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Hi Jackie,
Couldn't find a 'Love' on any census, will go back and trawl them now. Yes Margaret was Michaels daughter! Thanks for that information, that gives me more to work on!!
Thanks for being so helpful
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jacquelineve
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Sharon
1901 Bilston Staffs
Joseph Love 1898 born Bilston
RG13/2689 folio161 page11
Jackie.
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Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs Harts Hill: Baggot Wright Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson Derbyshire:Wilcockson Derby Belper:Spencer Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs. Hodgetts Radnorshire: Meredith Bristol Somerset: Box Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Bizziebod
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Great stuff Jackie, Thanks once again for your help!
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