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Topic: Black Country (Bilston) Friends and Neighbours - more names (Read 18544 times)
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Jumbled Jim
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Hi,
I'm trying to push some researches in and around Bilston back to the early 1800s on one side of a family (Wellings, Winsper, Parish/Parrish, Higgs, Boad, Bunce) and trying to get started at all on the other side (William Henry Talbot b about 1891). Two great grandfathers (Bunce and Wellings) were independently killed in accidents in a foundary in Bilston around 1890-1893. Most of the early Wellings and Bunces would appear to have been iron puddlers. Higgs was a licensed victualler. A later Wellings, Rose Wellings, became a pub landlord somewhere in the Bilston/Darlaston area.
It is rumoured that William Henry Talbot's father was at some time a jewellery worker, again from the Bilston area.
I noted that an earlier poster had mentioned Higgs, and another, Winsper. Winsper is almost certainly related to any Winspers I have discovered since the name is apparently extremely rare, and certainly so in Bilston.
Any help would be most gratefully received since, living as I do in Scotland, visits to Bilston are extremely infrequent.
Many thanks,
JJ
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 24 March 09 14:17 UTC (UK) by Jumbled Jim »
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Talbot, Wellings, Higgs, Bunce, Boad, Winsper, Parish/Parrish, Probert, Robinson, Matheson, MacDonald, Watson, MacHardy, McHardy, Pirie
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DudleyWinchurch
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Hi JJ,
Have you checked out FREEREG at:
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
and Wolverhampton Archives site at:
http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/familyhistory
Don't recollect the other names at present but there were lots of Winspers in the Bilston area in the 19C and a little earlier. It's possible that they were all related to each other.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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Jumbled Jim
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Thanks DW and Willow. In fact Willow, that's amazing.....I have searched and searched for ages and not managed to find the right Talbots....I was beginning to think they might have been averse to filling in census forms or anything like, and possibly avoided the enumerator too. This is the right area, and judging by the names (which I had no idea of in this generation) likely to be correct, since many of these names were passed to the next generation. This gives me a toe-hold, thanks again!
As for the Winspers, as a Bilston name goes, I was under the impression that there were a few, but not as many as say Fellows or Hickman or a few others I could mention. They appear to have been a fairly short-lived group, although I gather there may still be one Winsper living in Bilston. Parish/Parrish also seem to be similarly short lived and relatively infrequent.
Wellings is an interesting one....after the death of the household (William) in the iron foundary accident, the wife remarried to Probert and the children took on the new surname. This caused all sorts of problems until I had worked out what had happened. At least one of the children by the first husband then reverted to the original name, Wellings, although I suspect they may all have done this....so there is a James Edward Wellings (I have this completely covered), Rose Wellings (apparently became a landlady of a pub possibly in Moxley), Albert Wellings (possibly coal and possibly served in WW1) and William Wellings who apparently moved to Shrewsbury and became a market trader....and these I have not managed to trace as yet. The Winspers, Boads, Parish/Parrish, Higgs and Bunce families are further back in the Wellings line and are fairly new discoveries. Incidentally, James Edward Wellings went on to become Mayor of Bilston.
Any ideas how I could track down reports of William Wellings industrial accident and that of Joseph Bunce who died on 29th August 1891, although apparently the accident had happened a week or so previously? It's just conceivable that they were both mortally injured in the same "explosion". I've tried all the obvious on the internet.....but then Willow made that breakthrough where I had failed. Just goes to show that more than one working on something or taking a break and going back to a problem often results in a solution.
Thanks again.
JJ
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 24 March 09 10:55 UTC (UK) by Jumbled Jim »
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Talbot, Wellings, Higgs, Bunce, Boad, Winsper, Parish/Parrish, Probert, Robinson, Matheson, MacDonald, Watson, MacHardy, McHardy, Pirie
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DudleyWinchurch
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Hi JJ,
Not certain, but I think that the Express & Star (on film at Wolverhampton Archives) may well have been in existence before the 1890s and would most likely have reported such industrial accidents. Having a very specific date, it should be relatively easy to look up.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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Jumbled Jim
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Thanks DW, is this viewable online or will it have to wait until I make one of my rare visits back to the Black Country?
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DudleyWinchurch
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Thanks DW, is this viewable online or will it have to wait until I make one of my rare visits back to the Black Country?
Haven't seen the new facilities at the Molyneux Hotel yet (my own visits to the Black Country are relatively rare too these days) but used to be film only.
Hmmmm! Archive technology... I wonder how practicable it would be to create a remote film reader? I guess someone would have to load it, but one of those electronically controllable ones and a web-cam wouldn't be much more complex than the equipment already available! 
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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Trees
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Hi do you cover as far as Brierley Hill by any chance I am looking for the history of the Waterloo Mill Street in one directory1864 it was in High Street which seems a bit strange it must be the same house as the land lord was the same Oliver LOWE. I have him there in 1851 and 1861 censuses and Slater's 1851 directory he was a journeyman maltster in Kingswinford in 1841 so must have move between censuses I am wondering if it was an older pub with a name change to honour the battle or was it new after 1815.
I am also trying to find anything about The Kings Head in BugHole Holly hall Dudley If anyone can help
Cheers Trees still on a pub crawl 
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Jumbled Jim
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Thanks again to you both....I'm sure this is the family of Talbots, Willow, and thanks again for getting me past a log jam. Looks like a trip to the BC is in order sooner than I had anticipated to look at the resources in the Molyneux and at the Express and star.
PS I notice a number of posters are wondering about photographs of the Bilston area and buildings therein....have you tried www.geograph.org.uk ...I know there are a fair number of photographs of present day Bilston on the site and I have found it useful in letting me know just how much of what I remember is still there....sad to see buildings such as Henry Newbolt's home gone (although the gargoyles at the door used to scare me rigid as a child)!
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 24 March 09 14:22 UTC (UK) by Jumbled Jim »
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Jumbled Jim
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Thanks Willow, I knew about the first site and have my own photographs dating back to only just a little later than the Francis Frith ones. The second link was fascinating and I'm just about to compare my Winspers with those.
I have Jemima Winsper who married Samuel Higgs in 1850 at Coseley Christchurch. I think she was born in 1827 but christened in Bilston 1st Feb 1829. Her parents were William and Sarah, and the 1841 census shows Jemima aged 14 living in Highfields, Sedgley, with mother Sarah, aged 35 (born 1806), and a whole host of siblings, but no father shown. Also present was a 50 years old James Woodall and 40 year old Ann Woodall and their one year old child Martha. So I'm wondering if something had befallen William and Sarah had moved in with her brother or sister and in law. There are a number of William Winspers and so I need to work on which one now.
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