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Adi1962
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Does anyone know where the best place to try and get a copy of a ships log is ?
I have tried a lot of different places without any luck.
The Vessel in question is the ARAB that departed Gravesend June 1841 for Wellington.
I am trying to solve two problems:-
The first is did the ships surgeon (William Steven BUTLER) marry one of my family on board during the voyage - Can't find anthing in Wellington to confirm they married after arrival, and they cetainly were not married prior to departure. Was told it would have been entered in the log.
The second problems is who the hell was William Butler, I have no idea where he came from other than he was most probably a Doctor, as he is recorded in the 1843 Burgess Roll as M.D.
Adrian
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Sorry cannot help with the ships log, but just wondering if you saw the info on the net about the Arab, here which notes some sources (NZ archives etc) which may provide a lead http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/Arab.htm
Obviously your man was a popular chap:
Extracted from the New Zealand Gazette October 20 1841
The emigrants by the ARAB have voted Dr Butler the surgeon of the ship, a letter of thanks, for his humane conduct towards them during their passage from England to Port Nicholson. It was signed by the whole of the passengers.
Best of Luck
Jonathan
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Adi1962
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Jonathan
Thanks. I have all that, including a diary extract from a passenger that also mentions the Doctor. Amazingly this is virtually all we know about him. No idea where he came from in UK.
I have a couple of people in NZ helping me and are trying to see if anything is held in NZ Archives.
Thought worth seeing if anyone else had been down this road before.
Adrian
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Adi1962
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Tor,
Thanks.
A member of the NZSG did check it out for me and there is no more information then they have listed. They were the ones that suggested I check the Ships log as it should have been entered in there.
The book is unknown to me, if you could look that would be great.
He is mentioned in a book by Christchurch doctor David MacMillan published in 1946 called By-ways of history and Medicine. That suggests he moved to Lyttelton / Pidgeon Bay area and praticised as a Doctor. There is referecne to him being active after the French fleet pulled out, as they provided most of the medical care.
I think they may have moved from Wellington between 1846 and 1847 as there is an infant child buried at St Pauls in 1846 that is almost certainly his and I have a birth notice in a paper for 1847 in Akaora.
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Adrian
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Adi1962
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Tor,
Thank you. I have found the Burgess roll records, although did not have occupation for the 1842.
My attempts to find any record of him after 1847 have drawn blanks. The last recorded mention of him are these:
1848 The Wellington Independent of Wednesday Janury 5 reported that the scooner Agnes Hay, 30 tons had arrived from Akaroa on the 3rd Jan. Among the passengers were Dr and Mrs Butler and child.
NZ Spectator and Cook straight Guardian of Saturday Jan 22 carried:
NOTICE
The undersigned will not hold himself responsible for the payment of any debts contracted, or that may be hereafter contracted, by W.S.Butler, Esq. of Akaroa
Farnish Street W.S.Loxley
(A shipping agent)
After this I have not been able to find any records relating to him, his wif or child.
someone did mention that they thought they had seen a marriage record for him some years later, but could not remember when or where. Have also reference to Elizabeth marrying a William HINDS in 1850, but agian no record found.
I would certainly appreciate any help on this as this family are proving to be a real headache.
Of the original FURMINGER family that arrived in 1841 we know the following:-
Father & Mother died in Wellington
Elizabeth married William Butler
Harriet married Edward Hazlum in Wellington - no other info
Samuel jnr b 1823 - cannot find anything for him
Mary married and emigrated to USA - decendents contacted.
Ann married William BOAG and died in Christchurch some info known
Catherine married Richard Loughton - nothing else known
Thomas died 1897 in Wellington aged 64 - nothing else known
Joseph married in 1854 - nothing else known
Daughter died in Wellington 1842
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Adrian
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Hi Adrian,
Your earlier posts suggest Dr BUTLER was in Wellington from 1841 to 1846/7 then moved to Akaroa, returning in 1848. The NZ Spectator (was that also dated 1848?) notice suggests that the Butler family had returned from Akaroa to Wellington owing money. I wonder why?
You should contact Akaroa Museum
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/MuseumDetail.asp?MuseumID=4
for any references to Dr Butler akmus@xtra.co.nz
You can obtain BDM certificates for those members of the FURMINGER family where dates are known from NZ Dept of Internal Affairs. http://www.bdm.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Births-Deaths-and-Marriages-Index?OpenDocument
Do you have any idea when Elizabeth BUTLER died, or where? This might narrow your search for her husband.
What years did her parents die in Wellington? There might be a death notice mentioning surviving family members.
I will check Electoral Rolls and Wises Trade Directories for the Butlers.
By the way, by ‘ships logs’ I presume you meant those completed by the captain, not by passengers. These are probably held by the ships country of origin, so are unlikely to be found in NZ.
Regards, Tor
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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - Staffordshire ENG
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
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Adi1962
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Tor,
Yes the dates are all corrected (that I know). I found that remark by the agent strange, it was almost as though he thought people would think he was libale for any expences incurred by Dr Butler. That led to to think that this would only be so if Dr Butler was employed by that company......difficult to know what the thinking was in 1840's New Zeland.
Thanks for the links, getting certificates was my next step as I have "sufficient" information, I hope on several members of the family to get a certificate.
This is Parents known info:
Samuel Furminger was born 1794 in Udimore East Sussex and died 28 March 1864, aged 70 in New Zealand. He is buried at St Pauls Church, Molesworth, Thorndon, Wellington, N.Z.
He married Sarah  who was born abt 1803 and died 20 March 1843 in Hutt, Wellington, New Zealand of Dropsy.
Have found Butler in Burgess rools for 1842 and 1843 only.
Yes I ment the Captains log - Normally I would agree with you but have been unable to find anyone/organisation in UK that has reference to the ships papers etc. Thought copies may have been collected in NZ as part of history records. It may be that the Arab was not significant enought to warrent any special interest. My only real hope is the PRO at Kew, but that will be a long process trying to track and records down......but if no other option 
Adrian
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Hi Adrian,
I'll keep looking, but check out this site for mention of Samuel FIRMIGER, labourer, as a juror over several years. Port Nicholson is the old name for Wellington settlement. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/JusticePage.htm
The same host website has the FIRMIGER/FERMINGER family mentioned in the Burial Registers of St Pauls Church (Later Old St Pauls - see below) Wellington at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/StPaulsD-F.htm
Fermiger Elizabeth Emily Butler 16 months 1st Sept 1864
Fermiger Sarah 37 20th March 1843
Ferminger Samuel 70 28th March 1864
Ditto for a Wellington Street and Trade Directory 1864 reference to a 'FURMENGER S' living at Woolcombe Street:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/Alm1864TeAro.htm
Check out the other years listed, as he might appear there too. I can't see a Dr BUTLER, though. I live in Wellington, by the way, and Woolcombe Street no longer exists, but it will have been re-named.
Email Old St Pauls Church at: oldstpauls@historic.org.nz
to see if they have any other details of the burial of Samuel and others.
Cheers, Tor
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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - Staffordshire ENG
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
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gennig
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The second problems is who the hell was William Butler, I have no idea where he came from other than he was most probably a Doctor, as he is recorded in the 1843 Burgess Roll as M.D.
Hi Adrian
The following link is on Cora Nun's website, It is entitled "Was you Ancestor a Doctor?"
http://user.itl.net/~glen/doctors.html
It may give some ideas.
Cheers
Genni
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Genni
Thanks, had a look. Maybe its just me but I got the impression there were people there that you could pose questions....but cannot find any contact details.
Adrian
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Tor,
Thanks for the link.
I have also applied for some certificates, so they may also help.
fired an email off to St Pauls church as suggested. Been a bit cheeky and asked them if they could take a photo of any MI's relevant.....be interesting to see the reply, if any.
Adrian
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Adi1962
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Spoke with the BMA who put me onto the RCS. They have records back to 1800.
They found William Butler gaining MRCS in 1841, but his address is listed as New Zealand, looks like he may have planned to emigrate once qualified. Either that or he did come from New Zealand, but I think that is unlikely.
Adrian
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