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Look up: Completed:Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« on: Thursday 24 January 08 21:34 GMT (UK) »

Richard Joseph Barry b 1833-1839 came from London to Vic about 1854.  (Only death certificate shows this).

1. Married Jane Frances SEYMOUR in 1854 she died in 1897. Did they divorce/separate?

2.....My Gt Grandmother: Maria Jane Seymour (Nee Cooper?) he fathered 4 children 1881-1887 (Unable to find anything of her)

3....Marion Margaet MACK (MCQuade) (Unable to find anything of her)
He fathered 6 children 1892-1902.

4. Married Mary Seamers? 1906. No Issue (was 68 when he married her)

Richard Joseph BARRY died in Echuca on 14/3/1911 (73/78?) of a Stroke and Senile dementia.  Seems to have remained around the Echuca area.  All births were registered in Vic BMD ........perhaps there are more?



Was there more than one RJB?  I was led to believe from family chatter he had up to 20 children Tongue
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 January 08 21:39 GMT (UK) »

My apologies.  I accidently sent this as post instead of editing it.  I mean to say please can someone help me?

Many Thanks.
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 January 08 22:40 GMT (UK) »

Hello  there  Minnie

I  don't mean  any  offence  to  you  but  it  is very  hard  to  understand  what your posting  means?Huh  Do  you  have his death  ceritifcate  that  states  all  of  your posting  ie  the  three "wives"  and all  the children?

the  marriage  of

Richard Barry and Jane Frances Seymour was in 1854  reg no 1041
one child listed  in victoria indexs
Richard Seymour Barry  born 1857 reg no 777


I could  not find a divorce on  the index.
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 January 08 22:54 GMT (UK) »

ther are four children born to
RJB an Maria Jane Mastin

George Joseph 1881 reg no 23051 at  Euch

Frances Jane    1884 reg no 2214R at Euchu

Charlotte Ann   1886 reg no 2500R at Eucu

Margaret born  1887 reg no 27994R at Eucu

now the R  menas it  was altered after  registration

found  that Francis Jane.  Charlote and Margaret were registered as Mastin and Barry
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 January 08 23:50 GMT (UK) »

Sorry, I'm only new at this only joined this week Cry.

I'm trying to discover if there were any more marriages for RJB.

I'm also trying to discover if he was what he says!!.

Yes I have the birth certificates for Richard Seymour B Born to RJB and 1. The wife's death certificate Jane Seymour Barry.  She died in 1897 with skin cancer at her son's home.

BDM details for children with Maria Jane MASTIN (nee cooper as on my Grandmother's birth certificate)

Birth recordings from BDM for children with Marion MACK;

I have the death certificate for Richard Joseph Barry and only 1 child is registered and that is No. 1 legal son Richard Seymour Barry.  The rest are unacknowledged.

My grandmother signed the death certificate as informant herself as "Queenie Hibberd" (her real name is Frances Jane(Nee Barry) HIBBERD.

"Richard Joseph Barry d as 1st message"  Is this okay.

Thanks
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 January 08 23:54 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Jenn for your assistance.

Yes the female children were registered as Mastin.  The son was "Barry".  Guess he decided to acknowledge later?

My father said there were about 20 kids!

Frances Jane (My Nana was very reserved...died when I was 14 hardly knew her).

Barb
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 January 08 23:58 GMT (UK) »

Also, RJB's death certificate shows 2 marriages.

1.  Jane Frances Seymour 1854
Issue son: RSB.

2.  Mary Seamers at Echuca 1906 when he was 68.
No issue.

A lot happened between 1854 and 1906 -

He was a railway guard, laborer on some of the certificates.

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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 January 08 23:58 GMT (UK) »

Hello  again

yes thanks that  has  explained it well.


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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #8 on: Friday 25 January 08 00:09 GMT (UK) »

on  the 1909  Electoral Rolls

at Hume Street Echuca

Marion McQuade Barry  Home duties
Richard Barry Dealer.

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CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #9 on: Friday 25 January 08 00:15 GMT (UK) »

That would be odd dont you think?  He does seem to record the "Joseph" lots, except I noticed too on the Electoral Rolls.

He died with senility in March 1911 .  That takes years to develop.

Perhaps its a different RJ one to the one with Maria Mastin?

Trouble is, some people havent done their homework properly and lots is recorded wrong on the Ancestry sites.
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #10 on: Friday 25 January 08 00:20 GMT (UK) »

One would  think  the electoral  Rolls  to be fairly accurate, well as  accurate  as  the  people giving their information.

Have  you  seem  the marriage  in 1906 to Mary Seamers? my disc for  that period has  packed it in damn and blast,

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BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire, BRYAN from Staffordshire, HAIR from Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE from Kent, EDSALL from Cornwall, MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland,
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #11 on: Friday 25 January 08 00:26 GMT (UK) »

the marriage is listed at Vic BDM -

Richard  Jos m Mary Seamers 1906....Reg No 4579.  Didnt order that one as it post dates all my connections.

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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #12 on: Friday 25 January 08 00:27 GMT (UK) »

I guess not everyone has a Great Grandpa as busy as he was!!

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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 January 08 00:52 GMT (UK) »

RJ Barry death certificate shows:

died at Sandsborough Street, Echuca.  Occupation: Laborer/ Old age pensioner.  Age 73-  Could be a guess by the Bride of 1906?  Perhaps she insisted he marry her for reasons of propriety seeing he was living there when he died?
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Re: Look up: Marriages in Victoria: Richard Joseph Barry b c 1833
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 January 08 01:19 GMT (UK) »

ther are four children born to
RJB an Maria Jane Mastin

now the R  menas it  was altered after  registration

found  that Francis Jane.  Charlote and Margaret were registered as Mastin and Barry
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The 6 children with Marian Mack are all also registered as both Mack and Barry

Also the death of one of these children - Ethelenda Marian - who died age 1year in 1900
shows mother  Marian McQuade father Richard Barry

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