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Which Is The Correct Wife?
« on: Friday 25 January 08 14:43 GMT (UK) »

I have Joseph cad(D)y born abt 1796 married to Elizabeth (living in St Hilary) on all cenus info from 1841+
I am trying to trace a marrige cert or anything before 1837
His sons were all born Before 1837. this makes it difficult for finding a maiden name for Elizabeth.

I signed up to Familyhistoryonline which is great for pre 1837 stuff I found

Joseph Caddy M Elizabeth Richards 4 june 1814 St hilary
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Joseph Caddy m Elizabeth Bryan 25 Nov 1815 St Hilary

it could be any one of these? any ideas on where to go from here
any help appreciated
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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 January 08 16:27 GMT (UK) »

Hello Kev

have you looked at this site which has quite a lot of St Hilary transcriptions? And it is free  Smiley

http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~juneen/sthilary/bdm.html

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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 January 08 16:36 GMT (UK) »

Theres some good info on there that would have saved me alot of time and money, nut it still gives me the two marriges. What would be my next move to ding aout which is the correct wife.
do you think that if i forund their son in the records it would give me the mothers maiden name pre 1837?
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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 January 08 17:07 GMT (UK) »

Hello Kev

It is unlikely that pre 1837 baptism registers will give  the wife's maiden name.
First question - do you think there are 2 Joseph Caddys or has one married twice?  If you have access to the marriage records they should state whether the groom was a bachelor or widower.
Assuming there are 2 Josephs and Elizabeths, what I would do, is list out all the children and then try to split them between the 2 families.  You may find some are obvious because of the dates (although you need to bear in mind that baptisms can take place some time after birth) but you may also be able to use census information.  If a grandparent is with the family on a census or a child is staying with the grandparent that may help too.  What are the occupations of the 2 Josephs - if they are different again that will help you.
Do you have the 2 Josephs on the 1841 census?

Barbara

Sorry - I see you have Joseph in the censuses.  Is he the one in St Hilary with wife plus Richard, William and Silas?
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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 January 08 19:36 GMT (UK) »

yeah
there are to Josephs on the census abut the same age Both in St hilary ( i think the village was averrun with the caddy family, There are loads of them). because they are both about the same age makes it even harder, but thanks for your input.

I think i will have to follow the other family through the census and hope he had the inlaws around at some point.

WayHey I've got a plan
thanks
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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 January 08 19:54 GMT (UK) »

Hello Kev

Yes the best thing is to build up as detailed a picture of the family as you can.
If one of the children is Silas I wonder whether his name might give you a clue as to a grandparent's name?
I am afraid that in Cornwall you will often find lots of people with a surname that is quite unusual in England.  Smiley
Let us know if you need some more help.

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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 January 08 21:16 GMT (UK) »

Silas is the child that is next in line of decent, but with two possible marriges to choose from i just dont know which is the correct one.

it is a bit of a bonus that the name silas is a bit unusual but as for cad(d)y, there are loads of them all in the same place,

cheers anyways
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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 January 08 14:29 GMT (UK) »

You can get copies of parish record entries from the Archives in Truro.

http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=38210

The names of witnesses from the marriage might give you a clue or the father's occupation on a baptism record.

The place of birth for Silas in 1851 (HO107/1919 folio 238 pg 42) is Marazion and there's a baptism 11/1/1835 in Marazion. Joseph gives his place of birth as Germoe and this ties in with a baptism 25/1/1792 son of Joseph and Alice (IGI batch C022202). The other Joseph would appear to be the one baptised St Hilary 31/5/1789 son of John & Christian (IGI batch P020981). Possibly he was the one buried St Hilary 5/5/1837 age 48.

Wonder if anyone on the board has the Marazion baptisms as they're not on the IGI?   
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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 January 08 14:30 GMT (UK) »

forgot - meant to give you this link to searchable transcriptions.

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/
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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 10 February 08 15:13 GMT (UK) »

if there wasa child born after the first marriage but before the second you would naturally attribute this child to belong to the first couple, you can then see if they have sibings which ones belong to the first couple and which children belong to the second but not foolproof but a good idea.
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Re: Which Is The Correct Wife?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 February 08 14:40 GMT (UK) »

Hi I have been reading about your query. I had a similar problem and was lucky enough to find a headstone for one of the parties involved.  This also mentioned  " and their son .. died (date) aged (age) which enabled me to solve the problem.  Just a thought, but headstones can give lots of info if you are fortunate enought to see them. Perhaps if you have any death info, someone in the area could have a look for you.

Good luck   Ronnie
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