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1901 look ups pls... Heath.. Completed with thanks.
« on: Saturday 26 January 08 09:49 GMT (UK) »

William Heath b 1850 Shoreditch. Married Penelope Poole 1873 West Ham.

The 1891 census shows them living 4 Castle Street East. West Ham Forrest Gate Stratford Essex. His age 40 yrs, occ: Carman. Her age 39 yrs. She was shown as Emma on the census. There were 5 children John, William, George, Florence and Charles, all b Wesat Ham, the youngest Charles shown as 2 yrs of age in 1891.

Any help very much appreciated.  Smiley Lyn
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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 January 08 10:05 GMT (UK) »

1901 RG13/1623/12/16.
william heath age 48. b. hoxton. head.
eliza age 48. b. ditto. occ. warehouse porter. wife.
wllm john.d. age 17. b. ditto. occ. boot finisher. son.
hy geoffrey edwin age 15. b. walthamstow. son.
louisa vie age 14. b. ditto. daughter.
chas frederick age 11. b. ditto. son.
herbert age 9. b. ditto. son.
violet.l. age 7. b. ditto. daughter.
florence.s. age 4. b. ditto. daughter.
living at 37,king street,walthamstow.
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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 February 08 17:23 GMT (UK) »

Hi Essexgirl,

Sorry Wozzle but you seem to have found the wrong William. 1901 as below:-

William age 50 born Pershore, Worces.
Emma age 49 born Middlesex
Charlie Heath 12  born Stratford
Florence Heath 15   "        "
Georgie Heath 4      "        "
Walter Heath 9        "        "

Georgie is down as g-son (grandson)

Living 7 Castle Street . William occupation Railway labourer. Florence occupation General servant (domestic).  Place of birth for William is definately Worcester.

Hope this helps.

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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 13:32 GMT (UK) »

Hi  Pugs and wozzle

Thank you both for your replies. The Heath family are proving difficult as the wife, who was b Penelope, and shown on the 1871 as Penelope, living with her sister Harriett and family at 5 Harmer Pl. Stratford, changes her name to Emma on the 1881 census, where she is shown as Emma.  Roll Eyes

By 1891 she is 39 yrs of age, and with her family is living at 4 Castle St East. Forrest Gate West Ham Stratford. Her husband is definately shown as b Shoreditch Middx, and they have 5 children; John, William, George, Florence and Charles, all shown as b West Ham.

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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 17:26 GMT (UK) »

Hi Essexgirl

I had a check on the 1881 census and they have Emma from Pershore so maybe the enumerator confused them as they have her from Middlesex in 1901. Other than that it tallies doesnt it?  Its possible Emma is a pet name- maybe she didnt like Penelope! I've had relatives change names either using middle names or just a different name completely in one case. 

Have you tried seeing if there are two families with similar childrens names -- could there be a William and Penelope aswell?   

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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 17:32 GMT (UK) »

you say that williams wife was called emma on the 1891 census
is this not them on 1891
RG12/1314/27/4.
down as penelope not emma though
william heath age 40. b. ? occ. carman. head.
penelope age 39. b. london. wife.
john age 20. b. essex. occ. tile fixer. son.
william age 17. b. chalk farm,middx. occ. tile fixer. son.
george age 13. b. spring hill. occ. trolley ----. son.
florence age 5. b. west ham. daughter.
charles age 2. b. west ham. son.
living at 4 castle street,west ham,essex.

i cannot make out where willliam senior is born but it does,nt look like shoreditch
and all except the last two children are definitely not west ham.
maybe SKS could have a look and see what they think as regards birthplaces.

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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 17:41 GMT (UK) »

i think the family that puppypugs found is the most likely
some of the children down as born in stratford which would be right as west ham is in stratford.

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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 17:52 GMT (UK) »

Hi Essexgirl Hi Wozzle

I agree Wozzle - I think they're the best  bet - I've tried variations including a search on first names. I've compared the results on Ancestry to 'findmypast' site and there doesnt appear to be any other possibles.  I wouldnt always  take the birth locations on census as gospel.

Hope we've been of some help Essexgirl.

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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 18:06 GMT (UK) »

don't know if you have or want this
but here is william junior in 1901
RG13/1598/16/23.
william heath age 27. b. chalk farm. occ. tile fixer. head.
ada age 26. b. stepney. wife.
ada age 16mnths. b. east ham. daughter.
william age 2mnths. b. ditto. son.
living at 250 shrewsbury road,upton park st.stephens,east ham,essex(living in 2 rooms)
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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 18:15 GMT (UK) »

there is a possible sighting of george heath in 1901
RG13/1636/21/34.
and also john heath in 1901.
RG13/1591/157/36.

not 100% sure about either of these
but if you want the full entry i will post it here
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 04:19 GMT (UK) »

Hi again wozzle and pugs.

Penelope ( Emma) was living West Ham with her sister Harriet at 5 Harmer Pl. Stratford, at the time of the 1871 census.

She m West Ham 1873. She's living at 4 Railway Tce West Ham in 1881, where she's shown as Emma.

 wozzle I have the same details as you on the 1891 census. I've taken another look at the 1891 census details, for the details of where they were born.

The British history online site
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North-Western Railway, entering a tunnel at Chalk Farm, passes under Primrose Hill, emerging again between St. John's Wood and Kilburn.

From: 'Primrose Hill and Chalk Farm', Old and New London: Volume 5 (1878), pp. 287-300. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45237. Date accessed: 13 February 2008.

Goodness knows where Edington is in Mddlesex  Undecided  It looks as though Spring Hill is in Hackney.

The 1881 census shows William ( Father) b Shoreditch, and Emma ( Penelope ) b Pershore Worcestershire, but I think the details have been entered wrongly, as Penelope was b Shoreditch, I know that for definate.

Thank you wozzle for the 1901 details for William Jnr.. That's a big help.
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there is a possible sighting of george heath in 1901
RG13/1636/21/34.
and also john heath in 1901.
RG13/1591/157/36.

I'd appreciate these details thank you

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Allens, Clapham,  of Islington.
DeAth.... of Shoreditch.
Gladden & Laker of Shoreditch / Bethnal Green
Bibbys, Smith, Webb, Buckley  of  Essex
Blessed and Wade Spalding Lincolnshire
Pullen, Weedon & Skipps of Hackney and Essex.
Danahar of Bethnal Green
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Re: 1901 look ups pls... Heath
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 07:43 GMT (UK) »

1901
RG13/1636/21/34.
george heath age 22. b. poplar,essex. occ. house painter.  head.
martha heath age 21. b. silur town,essex?. wife.
ernest heath age 1. b. woodford,essex. son.
living at 16,granville terrace,woodford,essex.
reg.dist. west ham.
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 07:48 GMT (UK) »

1901
RG13/1591/157/36.
john heath age 31. b. stratford.essex. occ. plumber. head.
emily heath age 29. b. witham,essex. wife.
john.e.heath age 4. b. forest gate,essex. son.
living at 100,wellington road,st.saviours,west ham,essex.
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 10:41 GMT (UK) »

Many many thanks wozzle

Your help is very much appreciated. By the way, re census details for William Heath. The word we couldn't read prperly showing place of birth is
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Brancepeth
. It's in Co Durham.

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DeAth.... of Shoreditch.
Gladden & Laker of Shoreditch / Bethnal Green
Bibbys, Smith, Webb, Buckley  of  Essex
Blessed and Wade Spalding Lincolnshire
Pullen, Weedon & Skipps of Hackney and Essex.
Danahar of Bethnal Green
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