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tommacgregor
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Can anybody stretch out a helping hand, please? The Census is for the year 1851, and to the best of my knowledge was taken at a place called New Cathcart in Renfrewshire. Is that about a couple of miles south-west of Rutherglen?
The spelling of the Surname is completely wrong,but the Christian names are exactly what I was looking for, and in exactly the correct order! Even the occupations of the Head of the Household and his wife match the individuals that I'm researching!
Peter FAINE (the correct spelling should be FERNS) His occupation was that of a Block Printer and his birthplace was supposed to be Glasgow. His age is shown as 40, I'm told, but that is wrong. He was actually born c.1799/1800.
AGNES FAINE. This would have been Peter's wife, Agnes Jackson. She is shown as a Dyer, and that would fit since she worked in a calico environment. Her age too is wrong. It is given as 39, but in actual fact should have been 44, since she was born in 1807. Her birthplace is quite correct -yrshire. It was actually St Quivox & Newton, Ayrshire.
John FAINE. This would be John Jackson FERNS who was born about 1833 in Glasgow. He is shown as a Bleacher - presumably in a similar environment to his parents?
Margaret FAINE. This would be Margaret Ferns. born about 1842. However, I'm a bit puzzled about the birthplace - Denny in Stirlingshire.
Ann FAINE. This would be Ann Ferns who was born about 1843 in Glasgow.
Charles FAINE. This would be Charles Ferns who was born about 1847 in Glasgow.
James FAINE. This would be James Ferns born about 1850 in Cathcart, Renfrew.
This Census would obviously not show Peter Ferns since he wasn't born until 1853 in Glasgow.
Trying to track down old Peter Ferns, the Block Printer is an absolute nightmare, but I believe that there may be some Irish connections with his parentage. Peter died at Mossland Cottage Renfrew - (wherever that may be!) on 2nd October, 1884. His wife, Agnes Ferns M.S. Jackson had died at Busby in Renfrew on 6th October, 1872. One wonders if the man and his wife were laid to rest at the same burial place.
Old Peter Ferns' Death Certificate states that his parents were John Ferns and Martha ..............
That's all I have, I'm afraid. Any help with that 1851 Census or any additional assistance would be greatly appreciated. My resources are fairly primitive, but then, life can be a bit difficult for an aged pensioner, eh?
My very best wishes,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hello Fakyrn,
Very many thanks for your kindness in getting back to me so quickly. As you can see, I don't know very much about that neck of the woods in Scotland and it's nice to get a mental image of the area. So, we really are looking at an area to the south of the City of Glasgow, i.e. Cathcart, Busby and Newton Mearns.
Perhaps one day, someone will come across with that all important last resting place for "Auld Peter" and his Missus.
Again, thanks for your assistance.
Tom.
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Hi Falkyrn,
Even now that Surname is spelt in a multitude of ways. When the 1851 Census is referred to, it's certainly perfectly in step with the members of the family and their birthdates. To me, that's a BIG step forward in what has been a pretty torrid time in trying to track down my ancestors.
The other breakthrough would appear to be the 1841 Census on Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Gorbals, Lanarkshire Enum Dist: 44 Civil Parish: Gorbals Eccles Parish Address: 192 Main Street. I don't have a copy of that Census.
As you would know from my postings, Auld Peter Ferns, born about 1799 at Glasgow, married Agnes Jackson from Ayrshire, (haven't a clue as to the place and date of marriage!) On that 1841 Census we appear to be seeing her Mum, a Widow, aged 65, born outside the Census County, that would fit in nicely with Ayrshire! Further, there is mention of Agnes' brother, Hugh Jackson as well as her sister, Mary. Their birthdates/ages are just about smack on.
I really feel that I'm beginning to see a few breakthroughs, and I can't thank people enough for their kindness to this Old Buzzard.
My very best wishes to you all.
Tom.
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Hello again, Falkryn,
That 1841 Census refers to the Head of the Household as Widow Jackson, I believe. I think we can do a litlle bit better than that. If my paperwork is correct, she was Margaret Millar who had married James Jackson. Since Margaret is shown as 65 yrs old in 1841, that would mean that her D.O.B. would have been aound 1776, which, again, seems to tie in quite well with what I have.
Hugh Jackson's age of 40 at the time of the Census, agrees with what little I know about the Jackson's. His birth date was 1801. That gives us some indication of James Jackson's marriage to Margaret Millar, and tells us that Margaret would have been about 23/24 at the time of her marriage. I simply can't track down that marriage. Her children appear to have been born around Newton-on-Ayr.
These last few days has been like a breath of fresh air, and things appear to be clicking into place. I had intended doing quite an exhaustive study of the Jackson's and had indeed started on the exercise, but had to put it on the back-burner due to family health problems.
It just goes to show how things tend to work out when a group of friendly people put their heads together, eh?
My very best wishes,
Tom.
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