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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 25 April 09 23:00 BST (UK) »
Hi GaScot and welcome to rootschat and the Scotland board. The information that I have is confined to only one short entry which reads
1105 Duncan Gowen Transported 31-3-1747.
(the number preceeding his name relates to his prison number).
However if you place "Duncan Gowen transported 1747" into your search engine one site comes up
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gowenrf/Gowenms054.htm
which has more information about him. The information about Duncan Gowen can be found if you scroll down to the heading of "Ross & Cromarty County, Scotland"
hope the above link works.

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 25 April 09 23:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you Old Rowley!  Unfortunately not the one I was looking for.  Do you have any other Gowen/Gowin/Gowan or variant listed?


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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 25 April 09 23:42 BST (UK) »
Sorry GaScot that is the only one by that name and there are no variants on the list that I have.

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 10 May 09 00:02 BST (UK) »
I have the list of prisoners tried at Carlisle in 1746 which I will post in three posts as the original is too big for a single.
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Prisoners tried - Carlisle 1746
From the book on the life of John Fergusson 1727 - 1750. This trial was illegal due to ignoring the 1707 Act of Union. Men who were legally obliged under Scots Law, for vassals to follow their  superior, were automatically gulty under English Law.  The jury, which was made up of loyal citizens of Carlisle, would have condemned anyone wearing tartan to be hanged. The lawyers for the accused were Lockart of Craighouse and James Fergusson of Pitfour. They resorted to a novel device, having their servant don highland garb ,smuggled him into the prisoners and then by putting each other into the box, prove conclusively that he had been with them throughout and could not possibly have been out. The incident is said to have had a most salutory effect in the trials which followed.

Enclosure in Lord Pitfours letter to Lord Kilkerran (James Fergusson) of 4th October 1746. Spelling as in the original document.

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List of the prisoners tryed for High Treason at Carlisle September 1746. (For the individual histories see " The Prisoners of the 45" Scottish History Society, 3 vols, 1928-9)
Pled Guilty
Scotsmen                                                     FATE (added March 2001)

      Sir Archibald Primrose of Dunipace                                          executed
      Lawrence Mercer of Lethinty                                                  died in prison
      Robert Murray (bros of Sir Richard Murray)                             pardoned on enlistment
      William Sharpe (grandson of Archbishop Sharpe)                  reprieved  - escaped later
      James Innes of Banff                                                                executed - 70 years old
      Charles Gordon of Talpersy                                                     executed
      David Home (bros to Whitfield)                                              executed
      Andrew Johnstone ( son to Knockhill)                                   pardoned on enlistment
      Henry Clark - Gentleman                                                        died in prison
      Robert Taylor - shoemaker in Edinburgh  pardoned on enlistment, refused, released 47
      Robert Randal - Gentleman                        pardoned on enlistment 1748
      James Smith - writer                           sentenced to death but died in prison
      Andrew Porteous - Merchant                      pardoned on enlistment 1748
      Patrick Lindsay - Gentleman                  sentenced to death but execution not confirmed
      Robert Maxwell - writer                           pardoned on enlistment 1747
      John Wallace                                              executed
      John Campbell       3 John Campbells listed 2  transported to Antigua, 1 to Jamaica
      William Duncan                                              transported
      Robert fforbes (bros to Capt fforbes)                          released
      Robert Reid                                                               executed
      Donald McKenzie                                                  transported 1748
      Hugh Roy                                                               aged 14 pardoned on enlistment
      John Davidson                                                      transported
      John McKenzie                                                     transported Antigua 1747
      John Poustie                                                          transported 9/11/1747
      Ronald McDonald                                                 executed
      Andrew Swan   (Manchester Regiment)            executed Penrith October 1746
      James Harvie                                                       executed
      James Campbell                                                   transported 1748
      James Mitchell                                                    executed
      Alexander Davidson                                           transported March 1747
      Patrick Keir             executed, refused to give evidence against Sir Archibald  Primrose tho' offerred a pardon.

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      Roger Fulthorp                               pardoned on enlistment
      Thomas Kieghly                             pardoned on enlistment
      Samual Lee                                    pardoned on enlistment
      Barnaby Mathews                         executed
      Thomas Park                                 executed
      John Robottom                               executed
      John Saundersone                         pardoned on enlistment
      Philip Hunt                                     executed
      Valentine Holt                              executed
Girdwood, Fergusson, Graham, Porteous, Watson, Donaldson,

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 10 May 09 00:03 BST (UK) »
Convicted on tryal
Scots

      ffranc Buchannan of Arnprior                                                 executed,
      Donald McDonald of Kinlochmoidart                                     executed
      Donald McDonald of Tiendrich (Major)                               executed
      James Hay - Capt in ye ffrench Service                               pardoned on banishment to France
      Mr Robert Lyon - clergyman                                              executed, chaplain to Ogilvy's Regt
      William Home (Son to Bassenrig - 14 yrs old)                 Pardoned, went to France
      John Henderson of Castlemains                                       executed
      Patrick Murray - Goldsmith in Sterling       executed, buried St Cuthberts , JP & Sherrif Clerk
      James Ancrum - Gentleman                     died in prison before transportation.
      James Brand - watchmaker                       executed  18th Oct 1746 Carlisle
      John McNaughton - do                               executed, killed Col Gardener at Preston battle
      Richard Morison - the P's valet                released 1748 following being a Crown witness
      Alexander Hutchison - the P's groom       pardoned on enlistment.
      Thomas Lawson                                          sentenced to death, modified to transportation,
                                                                            too ill to be shipped, released 1749.
      John McNeil                                                pardoned on enlistment
      James Forbes         sentenced to death, execution set for 21st Oct 1746, pardoned 20th on
                                       enlistement
      Hugh Cameron          executed 18th October 1746
      Symon Lugton           transported, described as "an idiot "
      Alexander Stevenson                 executed 11th Nov 1746
      Alexander Andersone           transported, 1715 rebel, tried to escape night before transport
      William Baird                         transported,  subpoened to give evidence for Rev Thomas Lyon
                                                      When he arrived he was tried for high treason in order to
                                                       prevent him giving exculpatory evidence!!

English

      Thomas Coppock - Clergyman       executed 18th Oct, chaplain Manchester Regt
      Stephen Fitzgerald - Gentleman    died in prison before execution
      William Wynstanley       not known, may have been transported or died in prison
      George Hartley             pardoned on enlistment
      Richard Brown              pardoned on enlistment
      William Cook                pardoned on enlistment
      Molineaux Eaton          executed
      William Hargreave       pardoned on enlistment
      Thomas Hayes             executed
      John Hartley                 pardoned on enlistment
      Edward Roper              executed
      Robert Tinsley             pardoned on enlistment
      Peter Tinsley                not known
      Peter Taylor             refused to sign petition for mercy, escaped, recaptured, hanged at
                                       Brampton 21st October 1746
      George Waring       pardoned on enlistment
      Mathew Waring     pardoned on enlistment
      James Mollen         probably died in prison.
      James Chaddock     executed Kennington common July 1746
      Michael Delard       executed
Girdwood, Fergusson, Graham, Porteous, Watson, Donaldson,

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 10 May 09 00:04 BST (UK) »
Convicted but recommended to mercy by the jury.
Scots

      Robert Wright - writer in Edinburgh   escaped 1747 with William Sharp
      William Gray - surgeon             pardoned on enlistment
      Patrick Stewart                          pardoned on enlistment
      William Lecky                           transported

English

      John Coppock                             pardoned on enlistment
      Thomas Harvie                           pardoned on enlistment
      John Ratclif                               died in prison
      Thomas Turner of Bury             pardoned on enlistment
      Thomas Turner of Walcot         pardoned on enlistment
      Lewis Barton                             transported
      John Small                                 pardoned on enlistment

Discharged from the bar on Tryal
Scots
                                                                                                                     aquitted

      Charles Spalding of Whitfield
      Baron ffergusson of Athole (James Fergusson of Dunfallandy)
      James Seton (son to Carriston)
      Patrick Buchannan - Brother of Arnpryor
      Thomas Buchannan - " "
      James Murray - surgeon
      Martin Lindsay - writer
      Archibald McLaughlin - drover
      James Thoirs - writer
      William Stewart
      Alexander Brodie
      Alexander Steil
      Neil McLaren
      Donald McDonald
      Donald McCormig
      James Drummond
      John Petrie
      Jo McLaren
      John Forrest George Steil
      John Martine
      Patrick McGriggor
      Duncan McGriggor
      David Laird
      Patrick Butter
      Robert Gordon
      Duncan Neish

Aquit upon their giving evidence of their Surrendering ymselves and claiming ye benefite of the D of Cumberland's proclamation
English

      Thomas Barton - Gentleman
      Thomas Collingwood - Gentleman
      James Braithwaite
      Thomas Hatch
      Robert Rosco
      Thomas Williamsone
      Edmund Bane
      Thomas Warringtone
      Patrick McEwar

remain untryed of those indited

      Thomas Blair (?)                                                 transported
      John Stewart - Assurances of being sett at liberty soon              discharged
      Rob Mcfarlane - " " "                                                              transported
      William Greenhill - " "                                                            transported
      Charles Douglass Esq pled his peerage of Lord Mordington          pardoned on banishment
        but died in Prison 1750  petitioned Lords that he was starving   in chains among common prisoners at Carlisle

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It is highly likely that the condemned were transported to the Carolinas or West Indies mainly Jamaica or Antigua. Pardoned on enlistment means they joined either the Army or the Navy..
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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #33 on: Friday 05 June 09 18:28 BST (UK) »
would very much appreciate any info about prisoner named Calder.  Thank you!

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 06 June 09 18:24 BST (UK) »
Do you have details of Roderick Fraser on the list? I have an ancestor with that name who was deported in 1747 and would love to know more about him.

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 07 June 09 15:39 BST (UK) »
Hi nlhapp and welcome to Rootschat  and the Scotland board. The information on the list that I have is very limited as all there is for the name that you have is
 310 Peter Calder Died at Tilbury Fort
The number before his name would be his prison number.
As the prisoners had left Inverness on the 10th June 1746 for London by ship and landed at Tilbury on 11th August 1746 and they were held at Tilbury before being transported to the America's and the Indies in the March of 1747 his death would have been somewhere between the latter two dates, there is a note to the list stating that a total of 45 prisoners had died whilst held at the fort by 11th September 1746 perhaps Peter Calder was one of them.

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