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bowes
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did you look in the england or scotland census for 1901 for alexander and mabel? i think they were in england.
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Jackie
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MonicaLesl
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That's great Jackie ~ I'm glad that I have added to what you had. Is the lady posting on RootsWeb connected to you? There are another couple of posts from her: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-WEST-LOTHIAN/2007-08/1187288513 and http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCOTLAND/2007-08/1187298062
Can I suggest re 'find my past' that you put up a new post on the general England board and request a look up for this info from someone who does have access to it. Put a link to this post so that people don't repeat what has already been done!
Regards.
Monica 
PS: I looked on both the Scotland and English censuses for them, even searched for daughter Mary E. born 1900, sadly no joy. Not to say they weren't there, I just couldn't easily find them.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bowes
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Hi there.
The lady in question is related to my cousin, but would rather not comment.
I will send a post on the England board, how do i add a link?
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Jackie
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MonicaLesl
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Just copy and paste the URL for this post onto your new post ....or  just copy and paste this http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,282246.new/boardseen.html#new
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bowes
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Thank you so much.
Maybe he was mistakenly listed as single, as the Alexander Crombie I am looking for was an Engineer. He came to South Africa to work in the Mines. He was a Civil Engineer and eventually became a mine owner according to his death notice.
There was also a Crombie, Female aged 27 that also came across in 1903, but departed from Southampton. Not sure if that was perhaps his wife following? Maybe neither one of these are the correct ones.
THanks for helping out
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Jackie
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MonicaLesl
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Jackie
Travelling alongside the female Crombie to SA in 1903 is a 2yr old which could fit for their daughter Mary...except child shows as male. Always worthwhile looking at if nothing else to discount it.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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meles
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If anyone else is wondering what a "writer to the signet" is -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writers_to_the_Signet
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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk Harrison: London; Pollock Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk Rogers: London; Bartlett: London Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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DS
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Hi Monica 
The two passengers who sailed from Southampton on 06/08/1903 aboard the "Walmer Castle" were listed as Mrs Crombie 27 and Master Crombie 2 and it says that they were heading for Natal.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Jackie and DS
I thought I'd come back and have one more go on the 1901 Census to try and find them and guess what I did  apart from Alexander... Mabel and daughter were at her parents  . She has been indexed as Coombe and daughter Mary Elizabeth as Cookson ~ what chance have we sometimes to find people! I'll leave the transcription as is. I've looked at the original and Mabel is certainly down as Crombie, daughter Mary Elizabeth has however been incorrectly entered on the census form. The family is living in Elmstead Essex:
Osmond Cookson 60, Clergyman in the Church of England, b. Powerstock, Dorset
Mary Ann Cookson 51, b. Stoke Newington, Middlesex*
Mabel Mary Coombe 26, b Avonley, Yorkshire
Beatrice Elizabeth Cookson 24, b. Avonley, Yorkshire
Adelaide Elizabeth Cookson 22, daughter in law, b. Australia
Muriel Clare Cookson 19, b. Holbeck, Yorkshire
Mary Elizabeth Cookson 1, granddaughter, b. Elmstead, Essex
George Ernest Dela Monttaiger 18, visitor, student, b. Australia
May Rose Upchurch , servant
Stanley Butcher 27, servant
Edith Fox 23, servant
Jane Rozelle Smith 46, servant
Marion Roberts 16, servant
* mother Mary Ann may have had a disability. There are some initials entered in the last column for Disabilities - don't know what it means.
Monica
Added: I'll post this info on the other post (Census Look-up requests) to save anyone spending the time looking for it further- with a window open for Alexander!.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bowes
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Now, Alexander Snr. looks to have died just after this census. From Will & Testaments on SP:
Crombie Alexander 01/01/1841 Revd, Doctor of Laws, residing at York Terrace in parish of Saint Marylebone in county of Middlesex and of Phesdo in county of Kincardine Inventory; List of Arrears of Rents; General Disposition Stonehaven Sheriff Court SC5/41/8 ~ there are more entries relating to his estate
Also from SP Wills & Testaments, there are numerous entries for son Alexander estate following his death, such as:
Crombie Alexander 05/10/1877 esq., of Thornton, county of Kincardine, d. 22/07/1877 at Cheltenham, testate Stonehaven Sheriff Court SC5/41/25
Monica
Hi Monica,
Just a bit of confusion on my part. The way I look at it, it is as follows:
(a) Alexander Crombie acquires Thornton Castle in 1804.
He is succeeded by his cousin (b) Alexander Crombie, (Rev and Dr) who was born 1801 and died 1841, and married to Mary Harriet Richardson.
Then the castle is succeeded by the grandson of Alexander Crombie (a), being Alexander Crombie (c), but whose parents were Alexander Crombie (b) and Mary Harriet Richardson.
How does this work? How can Alexander Crombie (c) be grandson of Alexander Crombie (a), if he is the son of Alexander Crombie (b) who is the cousin of Alexander Crombie (a) ??
Confused enough??
Help
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Jackie
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MonicaLesl
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You are going to have to dig in to figure out the full extended line. From www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/features/featurehistory4642.html we had:
Alex. Crombie, a successful and much-esteemed advocate and land agent in Aberdeen, acquired the property in 1804. He was succeeded by his cousin, the Rev. Alex. Crombie, LL.D., F.R.S. (1760-1840), the author of several well-known works; and his grandson, Alex. Crombie, Esq., W. S. (b. 1836; suc. 1877), holds 2300 acres in the shire, valued at £2632 per annum.—Ord. Sur., sh. 57, 1868.
Me thinks too many Alexander Crombies
Without verifying anything but from what I have seen to date:
(2) Rev. Alex. Crombie, LL.D., F.R.S. (1760-1840)...................cousin of Alex. Crombie (1), advocate and land agent in Aberdeen (who originally purchased Thornton Castle in 1804)
(3) Alexander Crombie son of Rev. A Crombie married Mary Harriet Richardson and they had
(4) Alexander Crombie b. 1836 who married Elizabeth Marshall in 1870, this Alexander was grandson to Rev. Alex. Crombie, LL.D., F.R.S. (1760-1840).
Alexander Crombie b. 1871, son of Alex C. and Elizabeth Marshall, went on to marry Mabel Cookson in 1899.
(X) Order of succession of Thornton Castle
So Thornton Castle looks to have been bought by the AC from Aberdeen in 1804. On his death without heirs it was transferred to his cousin the Rev AC. On his death passed to his son AC (husband of Mary Richardson) and then in 1877, AC son of AC and Mary Richardson inherited.  ...or something like that! Thornton Castle looks to have been sold back to the Thornton family in 1893 from what I read.
Some entries from the Wills & Testaments section on SP. I have just picked up on some, there are more, but just trying to get you rough time line:
Aberdeen AC who when he died passed over Thorton Castle to his cousin the Rev AC:
Crombie Alexander 01/05/1833 esquire of Phesdo, advocate in Aberdeen T. Misc. Papers incl. Elizabeth Duthie 01/05/1833 SC1/37/10/pp481-508 Aberdeen Sheriff Court Inventories SC1/36/10
The cousin, the Rev AC who when he died passed on Thornton Castle to his son AC (husband of Mary Richardson):
Crombie Alexander 01/01/1841 Revd, Doctor of Laws, residing at York Terrace in parish of Saint Marylebone in county of Middlesex and of Phesdo in county of Kincardine Inventory; List of Arrears of Rents; General Disposition Stonehaven Sheriff
Court
AC, husband of Mary Richardson, son of the Rev AC, who when he died passed on TC to his son AC (born 1836):
Crombie Alexander 05/10/1877 esq., of Thornton, county of Kincardine, d. 22/07/1877 at Cheltenham, testate Stonehaven Sheriff Court
AC born 1836 looks to have sold Thornton Castle circa 1893.
There are lots of refs to Thornton Castle on google. Try "thornton castle" +crombie (as written) for more specific entries.
I just found this for example which bring some personality and character to the names:
Lord Gardenston's heir, Francis Garden of Troup, sold the estate to the first of four lairds to bear the name Alexander Crombie, a name which is held in honour for the skilful restoration of the 16th century castle by the first Crombie laird and the addition of the garden front by the third.
With this Alexander Crombie's son and his heir the fourth Alexander Crombie of Thornton, known as 'Joe' to his friends, and Joe's younger brother Francis rests the credit of introducing to Scotland the game of Rugby football which they had leart at Durham School in 1852-53 six years after the codification of the laws of the game as played at Rugby.
It was the Crombies who created the cricket park - still so called though long since farmed - between the Black Burn and the East Drive and built the fine pavilion which, used initially for country house cricket, has been the scene of many family festivities and tenantry parties, accommodated families of evacuees during the second World War and more recently, a children's play group.
On this ground in August 1882 Colonel H.W. Renny-Tailyour of Newmanwalls, a Scot who played cricket for Kent and the Gentlemen of England, scored 140 runs in a record second wicket partnership of 370.
Source: www.clanstrachan.com/heritage/castles/thornton_castle.htm
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bowes
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my brain is dizzy  
I will have to write this down in a tree format and try make head and tails. You are certainly right about there being too many A C 's
Thanks so much for taking the time to help out here.
Kind regards
Jackie
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hoadsfarm
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Monica,
I have sent you a mesage via your profiles page but in case it doesn't arrive am posting this as well.
Basically I want to find family or estate papers for Alexander Crombie that might show who their employees were because my interest Edward McMullen McKenzie may have worked for them and I can't find anything on him in Scotland.
The swine put two different birth places on two different census returns so it is hard to know where to focus one's energies.
having said that the two places he put Aberdeen and Dumfires both had Alexander Crombies living there, in Dumfries they were architects.
My Edwards connections are 1). he may have come from Aberdeen, 2). he was married in Marylebone just yards from Crombies home in Regents Park and 3). Crombie sold him a lease on land in Greenwich on which he built three houses.
My thinking is : My edward wouldn't have known Crombie socially (Edward was a gardener) but they obviously had some contact for my edward to have bought the lease from him.
Given both came from Aberdeen and both lived in Marylebone and Edward would have needed a good reason to travel south like perhaps the offer of a job it could be that he (Edward) or his family had a connection (worked for) with the family in Scotland. Sounds plausible but ...
If only I could lay my hands on some proof .....
Any ideas ?
Mike
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MonicaLesl
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Mike, I now understand why you sent me the PM, I'd forgotten about this Crombie post
As I suggested via my PM to you, why don't you start a new post for your Edward, including as much info as you have so that people don't repeat any searches for info you already have. The key things will be the census info you have for him, ages he shows, date of marriage and children and names/order etc.
Hopefully between all of us we will hopefully find something
Given that you are unsure of birth place I would probably start on the General Scottish Board until you have some indication as to where he was actually from.
Regards.
Monica
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