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Birmingham pub in 1881
« on: Tuesday 29 January 08 15:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi RootsChatters,

In the 1881 census Alfred STREET (b. 1841, Petworth Sussex) and his wife Ann are living at 39 Parade, Birmingham.  (RG11/2968/38/2)

Both have the occupation "Licensed Victualler".

I take it that means 39 Parade was a public house.  Does anybody know its name?

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Re: Birmingham pub in 1881
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 16:06 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Stovepipe on Tuesday 29 January 08 15:56 GMT (UK)
Hi RootsChatters,

In the 1881 census Alfred STREET (b. 1841, Petworth Sussex) and his wife Ann are living at 39 Parade, Birmingham.  (RG11/2968/38/2)

Both have the occupation "Licensed Victualler".

I take it that means 39 Parade was a public house.  Does anybody know its name?

Cheers,
Stovepipe

Hi Stovepipe..'Parade' is not a pub..its part of Summerhill in the centre of Birmingham..near the hall of memory. Smiley
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Re: Birmingham pub in 1881
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Stovepipe,

1n 1881 Alfred Street was at the 39 Parade  pub in Birmingham as Licensed Victualler
                       Heres what it says

Alfred Street b Petsworth Sussex age 40
Ann wife b Stroud Glouc age 55
Walter Hewlett nephew b Stroud age 50 occ coach painter
Caroline Hewlett neice b Birmingham age 15

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Derek,

Thanks for giving me a better idea of the location - that helps.  But I took "39 Parade" to be the street address, not the pub name (why else would I have asked for the pub name  Huh ).  Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

Sue,

Thanks for your alternate reading of the 1881 census.  Does it really say "Petsworth"?  I used the LDS transcription - the place in Sussex has the name Petworth.

But I'd still like to know the name of the pub, if anyone can help.

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Stovepipe,
                   You are correct no s in Petworth sorry about that.  Smiley Smiley
   
  It gives establishment, pub, as 39 Parade so this would be name of pub.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 19:29 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks, Sue.
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 20:53 GMT (UK) »
There's a picture of 'The Parade' in Birmingham here, but it doesn't show a pub ~ not even sure if it's the right parade:

http://www.pbase.com/beppuu/image/34808239
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 23:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello All
Derek & Tricia are correct.Parade was part of the main highway into B'ham from Smethwick Staffs.It consisted entirely of shops,businesses & obviously pubs.39 Parade is the address.
I can tell you that in 1896 it belonged to JH Forrester who sold Brittania metal wares.
Tricia...the photo you have is of the Parade..If my memory is correct I think I gave it to you...isn't your rellies false leg shop on it?
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 00:03 GMT (UK) »
I have got a list of all the pubs in B'ham c.1870 if you want them,but it runs to 8 pages.
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 02:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jim,

Does your list give the licensee and/or the address of each pub?

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 05:20 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Stovepipe on Wednesday 30 January 08 02:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Jim,

Does your list give the licensee and/or the address of each pub?

Cheers,
Stovepipe

Hi Stovepipe,

These websites may be useful when searching for a pub ...

www.breweryhistory.com
www.sfowler.force9.co.uk/page_27.htm

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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 09:31 GMT (UK) »
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Does your list give the licensee and/or the address of each pub?
It gives name,licensee & address.
I have uploaded them to my website on the left of this page.
P/word:freya
go to photos > index & open folder "pubs".

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 10:49 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks, Jim - that's a great resource.

Seems like there were two or three pubs in Parade, but none with the right street number or licensee.

My subject, Alfred Street, married a woman 15 years older than himself (according to the 1881 census).  I wonder if she was a licensee before the marriage?  When I find out her former name I might revisit your site looking for her.

Thanks again,
Stovepipe

PS Your third & fourth pictures are identical images of page 362.
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 11:41 GMT (UK) »
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PS Your third & fourth pictures are identical images of page 362.


Yes I noticed that & took 1 out.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 11:48 GMT (UK) »
I think her name was Hewlett.She is in service with Alfred in 1861  Smiley
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