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MonicaLesl
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That's great Margaret. As Ambly said, at least one brick wall now has a big chink of light...until you hit the Irish shores of course!
Just curious, did the 1851 census have Helen and Mary Ann as nieces or granddaughters to James?
...The other thing that struck me now. We have Helen in 1851 showing at 7 months (census that year on 30/31 March) so she would have been born around July 1850. 99.99% Father, Thomas Duncanson, then goes off to marry Janet Allison 8-10 weeks later....I hope he kept his butcher's knives under lock and key 
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Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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aggiebagwash
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Thanks Monica
I have looked for Helen/Ellen's birth but can't find it. On the 1851 census it names them as nieces but they are definitely granddaughters. I wonder if that's just an excuse they came up with to cover the fact that they were illegitimate?
The death certificate of Sarah Henderson confirms many of the details that you and Ambly found. Sarah was single, daughter of James Henderson a fish hawker ? and Mary Lachlan age 55. Helen Morrison was the informant so I know she is the right Sarah.
I think, I am, like you certain that the Thomas Duncanson Master Butcher was Helen's father (and they talk about today's morals?) Wonder what the Jeremy Kyle show would make of it?
I agree that it looks like they were in the poor house/industrial school on the 1861 because I can't find James so it looks like he died between 1851 and 61. No sign of his death though.
Margaret 
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MonicaLesl
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Remember that Helen's (and Mary Ann's) birth was pre the start of official reg. in Scotland from 1855. The most you are likely to find will be an entry in the Old Parish Registers (this assumes that they belonged to the Establish Church of Scotland which given their Irish origins may not be the case). Sadly you may never find official confirmation of Helen's birth, it is lucky that she was born by months just before the 1851 census from which it is easier to estimate her birth. Would have been much harder to be more certain of her age if she had missed that census - as you have seen, her age became more erratic in the following censuses
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Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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aggiebagwash
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Hi Monica
I have looked for Helen and Mary Ann's births in the Parish Registers but they aren't showing up under either surname so I suppose I will just have to accept that this line will end with James and Mary.
I have also tried to find Andrew Duncanson Thomas's father but it's the same story. I know he married Helen Heggie but can't find the marriage or even the birth of Thomas so that's another line coming to a close.
The Heggie line I managed to go back another generation so I am quite happy to stop there.
I now have to start on the Peter Morrison line but I don't think I will get very far he seems far too elusive and there are so many Peter's that it's impossible to opt for the right one. Margaret Morrison's family I actually traced back a further 4 generations so I think her line is complete.
Why oh why can't the Irish Government just put their records on the internet and charge people as they do in Scotland?
Now all I have to do is try and hide the Visa bill from my husband as I have spent a fortune on SP. Ha! Ha!
Thanks to you and Ambly for being my 'fresh set of eyes' I really appreciate all your hard work.
Margaret
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AMBLY
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So pleased for you Margaret 
Great results - just goes to show - how actual images of Census can be very different from some transcriptions !
Regarding things Irish - one glimmer of hope - in that Mary HENDERSON, Sarah's mother died AFTER 1855......her death certificate would hopefully state her parents names, at least.
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AMBLY
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aggiebagwash
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Hi Ambly
On Sarah's death certificate it gives her mother's maiden name as McLachlan. However when I looked for Mary's death between 1861 and 71 the ages are all wrong and there is no sign of a McLachlan for the maiden name or surname.
Ah! well it was a good try. I think I will have to re-think this one. Maybe a good nights sleep will somehow trigger a few new ideas.
Regards
Margaret
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