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Re: Brimacombe Lookups please
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 18:39 GMT (UK) »

and John Frain ... (Interestingly, he's John Friend in 1861, a servant at Buckland Brewer)

1851
HO107/1895 399 10
Buckland Brewer, Devon
Silkland Cott

Henery Frain, head, 31*, Ag lab
Ann, wife, 37, Glover
Sarah Ann, dau, 9, Glover
John, son, 7
William H, son, 6

All born Frithelstock

*I thought Henry was 51 at first but 1861 shows him aged 40. They also have a daughter Susannah age 5 in 1861.
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Re: Brimacombe Lookups please
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 18:54 GMT (UK) »

Hi Tati

Thanks for finding her .... I had seen the Friend family and had checked original which was clearly 'Friend' ... I should have taken it a step further , like you ... Brilliant!

Have you figured out the Walter/ Hancock surname situation ? Did Charlotte just drop the Hancock or do you think it's a mistransciption.?


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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:00 GMT (UK) »

I'm not sure Deb!  Huh

1841 they are called Walter:

1841
HO107/256/15 6 7
Bradworthy, Devon

Henry Walter, 35, Ag lab
Ann, 25
Elizabeth, 8
John, 6
William, 4
Mary, 1

All born in county.
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« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:04 GMT (UK) »

It's rather strange Tati ...

On IGI there are no Henry WALTER bapt in Bradford , There is , however this from IGI:

Henry HANCOCK
23 Jan 1803 , Bradford
mother , Ann Hancock

I wonder if his dad was Mr Walter ?

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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:07 GMT (UK) »

Charlotte's birth was registered as Walter:

Charlotte Walter
Mar 1847 Bideford 10 59

(Is Frithelstock = Bradford, Deb?  Huh)

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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:08 GMT (UK) »

Just looking at IGI for their eldest daughter ...Elizabeth b c 1833

No Elizabeth HANCOCK  but there is Elizabeth Walter, 14 April 1833 , Bradford , parents ..Henry Walter and Anne, Extracted.

ummm

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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:13 GMT (UK) »

Hi Tati

Just had a look ...

Frithelstock = reg district: Torrington , sub reg dist, Great Torrington

Bradford = reg district Holsworthy , sub reg district Black Torrington

Have no idea how far apart they are ...

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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:22 GMT (UK) »

Mary Grace was registered as Walter too (1839), and she seems to marry as Mary Grace Walter in 1859. There's a possible death for Ann Walter Bideford 1854. Maybe Hancock is just a red herring ...



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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:24 GMT (UK) »

Buckland Brewer = Reg dist Bideford, sub reg ..Parkham


So if Charlotte was born in Buckland Brewer ..she would have been registered in Bideford...  but in 1841 and 1851 the family are all in Bradworthy ...do you think registration districts were different then .....

I will check 1841 censuses to see .... arrghhh ..getting confused !

re; Hancock ...henry was christened a HANCOCK by his mum , Ann ...I think his dad was a Walter ... I wonder if Ann, the mum , married him evetually ... rather interesting .
Also why use Walter as a surname except in 1861?

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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:29 GMT (UK) »

Just realising I was mixing the 2 families up! The Walters are from Bradworthy!  Tongue

CHARLOTTE WALTER
Christening FEB 1847 Bradworthy, Devon
Father HENRY WALTER Mother ANN     
 
NORAH JANE WALTER
Christening 18 APR 1844   Bradworthy, Devon 
Father HENRY WALTER Mother ANN     
 
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:32 GMT (UK) »

Likely marriage:
HENRY WALTER- ANNE MANNING
Marriage:  31 OCT 1831   Bradworthy, Devon

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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:39 GMT (UK) »

1871

Sutcombe
Higher Verworthy

Richard Brimacombe head unm 49 farmer 40 acres
William brother 44 farmer's assistant
John  brother 40           "
William Edward nephew 10   Titus' dad

Now who does William Edward belomg to ...possibly John as he was next door in all the other censuses ...also John  (b 1830) is married to Ruth in 1881 and they have a 2 year old son ...so possibly John was married prior and Charles (b 1879) may be William edward's step brother.



Good one Tati ...i was getting really confused then ... Grin

Back to William Edward Brimacombe b 1860... he is the dad of Titus who is the dad of Isobelle ...

we don't know who his dad is ... Could be any of the brothers ...

in 1861
Sutcombe 3 Verworthy
Rebecca Brimacombe head wid farmer 47 acres ..b Cornwall , kilkhampton
Richard son unm 39...he looks like he inherrited the farm
William son unm 35
John son 30...he is the one always in the vicinity during the censuses , and married Ruth
Charles son unm 27
Edward son unm 20

This gives us no clue as the William Edward's dad ....
unless he is Edward's b1841, son ...with his name as the middle name .

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« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:50 GMT (UK) »

OMG .... Talk about a large family .... Maybe William Edward Brimacombe was the son of one of their daughters

1851
Sutcombe
4 Verworthy
Richard Brimacombe head mar 62 farmer of 40 acres , no labourers  Grin b North petherwin
Rebecca wife 50, Cornwall Kilkhampton
Richard son 30
Elizabeth unm dau 27
William son unm 25
Susanna dau unm 23
John son unm 20
Charles son unm 18
Titus unm son 16
Edward son unm 10

No wonder they didn't need farm labourers  Grin Amazing that they stuck together , all on the farm and all unmarried!

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added 1841= Same place , same people , just 10 years younger  Grin
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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:57 GMT (UK) »

Can't find Richard Brimacombe's marriage to Rebecca , I will check the children's baptisms to see if she is the mother to all of them or is maybe the 2nd wife ...

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« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 19:59 GMT (UK) »

do we have William Edwards birth?
was it before the 1861 census?

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