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BOSWELL BABY
« on: Wednesday 30 January 08 18:16 GMT (UK) »
i have found details of a john wesley boswell who was buried at st laurence church eastwood, essex 03/04/1905, 17 days old. does not state who are the parents or what he died from.
does anyone have any details and does he belong in your ancestoral line. there is no grave marker for him as far as i am aware Sad

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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 31 January 08 15:24 GMT (UK) »
This is the youngest son of Trafalgar Boswell and his wife Athaliah (born Whatnell). He is the baby brother of Silvester Gordon Boswell, the father of Gordon who owns the Romany Museum at Spalding.

According to The Book of Boswell (Silvester Gordon's autobiography of 1973), John Wesley Boswell was born 14 March 1905 at Southend and died 31 March 1905. He was named after an evangelist named John Wesley Baker, pictured in the same book with the Boswells. Together they ran a religious mission following their return to East Anglia from North West England, where they were members of the Gypsy community in Liverpool and Blackpool.

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Re: BOSWELL BABY
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 February 08 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I'm looking into the family of a friend of my parents. She is descended from Trafalgar Boswell. I think he was her great-grandfather and was known as Algar.

So far I have found that Trafalgar was the son of Silvester Boswell and Florence Chilcott, and I think Silvester was the son of Tyso, son of Shadrack.

I would be interested in learning more about Trafalgar's family with Athaliah if possible!! I would presume that the Boswell book would be of particular interest to my parentss friend?

Many thanks!

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Re: BOSWELL BABY
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 February 08 18:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dominic

Yes - they'd find the book very useful.

It was published by Gollancz in hardback in 1970 and by Penquin Books in paperback soon after. It's long out of print - but you can find second-hand copies of it (possibly quite pricey!) - or try the inter-library loan scheme.

Algar Boswell is the grandfather of Gordon Boswell of the Gordon Boswell Romany Museum at Spalding, Lincs. I'm sure he'd be pleased to meet your friend.

I have quite a lot of information on these Boswells, plus some photos, as they travelled with my Smiths and were part of the Blackpool Gypsy community with them in the late 19th century. Happy to share what I have if you'd like to send me a personal message.

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Re: BOSWELL BABY
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 March 08 23:43 GMT (UK) »
hello all,
i thought that algar was short for trafalgar.... correct me if im wrong please someone.
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 March 08 00:22 GMT (UK) »
Youre not wrong. Algar is indeed short for Trafalgar.

Shadrack Boswell had several wives, amongst them Elizabeth Buckley, Cinderella Wood, and Mesilia.

His son Silvester "Wester" Boswell married Florence Chilcott, and their son
Trafagar married Athaliah Whatnell.
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Re: BOSWELL BABY
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 March 08 00:24 GMT (UK) »
Sorry !!

Shadrack had Taiso/Tisso/Tyso/Tiso Boswell who married Sophia Heron/Hearn/Herring, and later Hannah Williamson Smith.

It was Taiso and Sophia who had Silvester Boswell.
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 March 08 08:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Do any of you guys have any more information about any of Trafalgar and Athaliah's children and their families? I feel like I have the 2 ends of the piece of string, but need to find the middle!

Any help would be much appreciated. I have found the family in the 1891 census, but would like to carry the lines down, if possible!

Many thanks,

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Re: BOSWELL BABY
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 02 March 08 10:38 GMT (UK) »
thanks everyone for your'e replies, thats given me lots of info and i feel better knowing that this baby had family and belongs.... Smiley
hi dominic i will have a look through my papers and see if anything turns up, only just starting with the boswells myself.
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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 02 March 08 10:45 GMT (UK) »
According to Terence Lees book The Lee Family Tree Vol 2 page 87 - (credit where its due)

Trafalgar and Athaliah had:

Lewis b.21.06.1879 Belfast, died young
Leon b.21.06.1879 Belfast, died young
Nathan b.12.09.1880 Belfast
Bruce b.24.11.1881 married 25.07.1905 Emily Smith (d/o James)
Arthur b.23.01.1883 Liverpool married Phoebe (Boswell?) in the USA.
Eden b.27.04.1885 Inverness Scotland d.1952 Hull.
Gilbert b.25.05.1887 Liverpool
Joshua b.05.11.1889 Blackpool Lancs
Laura b.05.11.1891 Liverpool d.17.02.1924 Skegness Lincs
Sarah Linda b.23.03.1893 Blackpool
Silvester Gordon b.25.02.1895 Blackpool, married Mabel had Gordon (owner of the Romany Museum in Spalding, Lincs) and Donald.
Lewis b.23.06.1897 Blackpool d. 02.02.1933 Skegness Lincs
Ida "Dixie" b.27.04.1899 Blackpool d.Oct 1966 buried Bournemouth
John Wesley b.13.03.1905 Southend Ex, d.31.03.1905 Eastwood Ex
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Re: BOSWELL BABY
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 02 March 08 10:55 GMT (UK) »
WOW
we all need this mans book. i know its not available now but gosh i would really like to get my hands on one!!! Cheesy

thanks ann. i was just about to put up a new post to say i have found in my local church a marriage between, bruce boswell aged 23, father traifalgar boswell, to emily smith 23, father james smith, witnessed by p. buckley and celia rice on 25/07/1905. anyone know who the witness's were?

can share info if its needed for eastwood church (st laurence and all saints) eastwood, leigh on sea essex. especially after 1900.

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 02 March 08 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for that, Ann!!! Thank you also for looking through what you have, Amanda!

And I think I stumbled across a marriage for Laura Boswell in 1915 to Joseph Dilks. It may not necessarily be the daughter of Trafalgar, but it's there should anyone need it!!

Is anybody in contact with any of the other families descended from Trafalgar? Other than Gordon, that is!!

Many thanks once again! My friend is so pleased and grateful!

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: aa1webb on Sunday 02 March 08 10:55 GMT (UK)
WOW
we all need this mans book. i know its not available now but gosh i would really like to get my hands on one!!! Cheesy

amanda

 http://www.romanygenes.webeden.co.uk/#/smithleegenealogiesterence/4526371319
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Re: BOSWELL BABY
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 16:51 GMT (UK) »
well done again ann, you are a star  Grin  Grin  Grin
just sent one of the children to the post box, about time they earnt their keep. Wink

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 22:26 GMT (UK) »
reply for ashkej,
think there is a mention of algar boswell and wife athalia in the gypsy smiths book, chapter 21 i believe. quite exciting to se family in print!!! Cheesy
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