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Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« on: Friday 01 February 08 05:07 GMT (UK) »

Is anyone able to check a marriage between William GENTRY and Mary Ann SMITH in the December quarter of 1856, please? I'm particularly keen to know if Mary Ann is a widow. And any other details so that I may positively identify her.

Thank you

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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #1 on: Friday 01 February 08 07:10 GMT (UK) »

not exactly what you were after but as a starting point to try and find out other details about her
is this her in 1861
RG9/1090/15/25.
william gentry age 26. b. beckingham. occ. agr.lab. head.
mary.a. age 25. b. malden. wife.
alice gentry age 4. b. malden. daughter.
george.w.gentry age 2. b. malden. son.
mary.a.gentry age 7mnths. b. malden. daughter.
living at st.peters,malden,essex.
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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #2 on: Friday 01 February 08 07:20 GMT (UK) »

there is a mary ann smith of the right age and birthplace
with parents. samuel-mary ann. in the 1851 census. HO107/1778/453/31.
though if she was previously married smith unlikely to be her maiden name.
i really think you need to send off for the marriage cert.
it should then give you her fathers name and occupation
and would also tell you if she was a widower or spinster.
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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #3 on: Friday 01 February 08 09:02 GMT (UK) »

Thank you, Wozzle. Both these records do, I'm sure, refer to the right Mary Ann. She married George SMITH in 1854 at Holy Trinity, Milton By Gravesend, Kent. George SMITH must've died, or otherwise vanished, because she married William GENTRY. I just thought it'd be good to verify that, as SMITH, she was listed as a widow in the marriage to Wm GENTRY. I wonder who George SMITH was!

I think there's something odd going on, and must check on my facts.

Thanks,

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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 February 08 09:22 GMT (UK) »

the only one i could find within the right timeframe
and registered in gravesend.
death index.
name. george john smith.
y.o.r. 1854.
qtr. oct/nov/dec.
dist. gravesend.
county. kent.
vol. 2a.
page. 162.

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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 February 08 09:31 GMT (UK) »

marriage index
name george smith.
y.o.r. 1854.
qtr. jan/feb/mar.
dist. gravesend.
county. kent.
vol. 2a.
page. 258.

the only mary ann on the same page. mary ann porter.

if this is the right marriage then the mary ann smith i posted is obviously not the right one.
will have a look for mary ann porter in 1851,1841.
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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 February 08 09:42 GMT (UK) »

i was hoping to find a mary porter or mary ann porter of the right age born in malden on the 1851 census. found a couple of the right age but neither born or living in malden,
also did not find one living in malden in 1841.
sorry.

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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #7 on: Friday 01 February 08 22:46 GMT (UK) »

It's my fault, sorry. I've been confusing my PORTERS and SMITHS. The census details you sent are great – thank you. Mary Ann PORTER married a SMITH, so the one I'm interested in here is the Mary Ann SMITH who you found.

I have her (Mary Ann SMITH) as being born in 1836 at Maldon St. Peter. But there is a FreeBMD record that she and William GENTRY were married at Maldon, Essex in the December quarter of 1856. I was on the wrong trail looking for a GENTRY/SMITH marriage in Kent.

Is it possible for this to be checked?

Thank you,

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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 02 February 08 08:10 GMT (UK) »

i am getting confused now?
what did you want checked is it what it says on the marriage certificate that you want checked.
if this is what you want then as far as i know the only way is to get the certificate,
if on the other hand you want the census information then i will gladly post it here.

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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 03 February 08 04:19 GMT (UK) »

Yes it is the marriage register details I wanted, if it were possible. The Kent records for marriages at Holy Trinity at Milton by Gravesend are available online. I don't suppose the ones for St. Peters, Maldon, Essex are, though.

I was mistakenly looking for a marriage for Mary Ann PORTER and there was one in Kent, but I should've been looking for Mary Ann SMITH's marriage in Maldon, Essex.

The census records you kindly sent seem conclusive. So, I probably don't need further evidence of the marriage. But, if you have other census results, I'd be grateful.

Sorry to have been so confusing.

Jamie

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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 03 February 08 09:02 GMT (UK) »

possible
1841 HO107/339/book9/6/30.
john gentry age 30. occ. agr.lab.
elizabeth gentry age 28.
william gentry age 6.
john gentry age 4.
living at little totham,essex.
reg.dist. malden.
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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 03 February 08 09:08 GMT (UK) »

1851. poss.
HO107/1778/624/10.
john gentry age 43. b. tolleshunt,major,essex. occ. agr.lab. head.
elizabeth age 37. b. paglesham,essex. wife.
john age 14. b. little totham,essex. son.
emma age 9. b. ditto. daughter.
hannah age 7. b. ditto. daughter.
living at little totham,essex.
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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 03 February 08 09:12 GMT (UK) »

These certainly look like the right GENTRY family.

Many thanks for your patience,

Jamie

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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 February 08 09:18 GMT (UK) »

here is the same family in 1861 minus john junior. which would be right.
1861 RG9/1090/16/27.
john gentry(transcribed as gentis) age 54. b. beckingham,essex. occ. agr.lab. head.
elizabeth age 48. b. paglesham. wife.
hannah age 18. b. little totham. occ. servant.daughter.(unm)
living at malden.st.peter,malden,essex.
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Re: Maldon marriage L/U GENTRY/SMITH
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 03 February 08 09:22 GMT (UK) »

do you want me to follow this family and john-mary ann's family through the later censuses or do you already have them on the later censuses.
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