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Can anyone help?? I have for some years been trying to trace my paternal grandparents:
Henry Brazil b c1897 and louisa Brazil (nee Giles) b c 1887, I have their death certificates but cannot find any marriage or birth certificates, my father says Louisa was born within the sound of Bow Bells
They were living at Henwood Green, Pembury, Kent in 1924 when Pheobe was born and two years later living in a caravan at Ash Vale when my father was born, another aunt, Lena was supposedly born 3 days later at Dunton Green, Kent
Henry died at Plaxtol, Kent in 1958 and Louisa died Redhill Hospital, Smallfield section in 1952, her address was given as 1 Woolborough Road, Crawley. according to my father they lived in temporary accommadation in Crawley(my grandparents that is), in 1954 my parents were living at Stone Barn Cottages, Tilgate, Crawley. If any of this rings any bells please let me know any help gratefully appreciated.
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Robert
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Hi, Not sure how much I can help but I am told by my daughter-in-law whose mother used to be a Brazil that Henry Brazil (don't know if it is the correct date) is buried in the churchyard of St. John's Church, Crawley but you may already know this. I am sending a copy of your posted message to my daughter in law and she will talk to her family about it. I do know that there are Brazils in Cuckfield somewhere near Ardingly Road.
I have a feeling that 1 Woolborough Road is now a doctors surgery - moved to my present location about 18 months ago after 33 years in Crawley. Interested to hear about Stone Barn Cottages, Tilgate because I lived in Tilgate from 1976 and have never heard of them.
I shall be in Crawley on Saturday and will check the date in St. John's graveyard. I am on my way to India via Gatwick so will not be able to get in touch immediately.
Good luck with the search.
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Hi there
many thanks for the info, I have been in touch with the surgery, although it would appear to be a dental practice now and have also checked the planning applications at Crawley Borough Council and a 'new' building was erected in the late 50's.
Have tried several times to contact CBC but they have never responded to email or returned calls.
I believe that my grandfather was buried at West peckham church, just outside Mereworth between Tonbridge and Maidstone..My grandmother is buried, so dad say's in the graveyard where the bus station now stands, have not followed that up as yet.
Enjoy your trip, and hopefully your daughter may know someone who holds the key
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Robert
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Have you seen this birth reg? Not sure if this is the right area 
Henry Brazil March 1896 Hailsham Vol 2b Page 99
(theres also a John Henry Brazill reg. in Hastings Dec 1897)
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Dean1
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Hi there
many thanks for the info, I have been in touch with the surgery, although it would appear to be a dental practice now and have also checked the planning applications at Crawley Borough Council and a 'new' building was erected in the late 50's.
Have tried several times to contact CBC but they have never responded to email or returned calls.
I believe that my grandfather was buried at West peckham church, just outside Mereworth between Tonbridge and Maidstone..My grandmother is buried, so dad say's in the graveyard where the bus station now stands, have not followed that up as yet.
Enjoy your trip, and hopefully your daughter may know someone who holds the key
Regards
Robert
Hi Robert, I am afraid I did not succeed on my way through Crawley to look in St. John's Graveyard - my daughter in law will do this and let me know. She is also asking her extended family and I will let you know what she finds out.
Last year I took my daughter in law to a Romany Museum in Spalding, Lincs and very interesting it was. The chap who runs it, Gordon Boswell, asked her about her family and seemed to know the name "Brazil". I wonder if it would be worth contacting him in the course of your search. The phone number is 01775 710599. The address is: Gordon Boswell, Romany Museum, Clay Lake, Spalding, Lincs PE12 6BL.
Sue
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Hi Robert
Do you know (perhaps from your father) whether either of your grandparents had any siblings? Also, can your father give any other names of persons who may have been related, however distantly, perhaps some even turned up to their funerals
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Theres a few Louisa Giles on the Census:
Louisa d/o Edward a General Labourer, was born Battersea 1886 and lived in Battersea in both 1891 and 1901.
Louisa A d/o Henry S Giles a Farrier (Smith), born Poplar, London 1886 can be found in West Ham in 1891.
Louisa Giles d/o John T Giles a shoemaker, born Peckham 1890 in Paignton, Devon 1901.
But this one seems most likely:
1891 Bromley by BOW Common
Hannah Giles widow b.1842 Stratford Ex a juvenile Suit Finisher
Alice C Weases b.1871 dtr Bromley London Machinist
Kate B Elizade b.1877 Poplar London
Charlotte Elizade dtr 1873 Bromley suit finisher
Ellen Ann Elizade dtr 1875 Bromley suit finisher
Kate B Elizade b.1877 Poplar London suit finisher
Joseph Giles b.1881 Poplar London scholar
Louisa A Giles b.1884 Bromley scholar
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1901 Mile End Old Town London
31 Lockhard St
Hannah Giles widow 60 Juvenile Suit finisher Stratford Ex
Charlotte Weaver dtr 28 Juvenile Suit buttonholer Poplar London
Joseph Giles son 20 (unreadable) Machine minder Poplar London
Louisa Giles 17 Sewing Machinist Bromley
Robert Green boarder 20 Ledger Clerk Mile End
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Louisa Annie Giles
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Jul-Sep Qtr 1883 Poplar Reg Dist, London
ref 1c 612.
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searched for a Henry/Harry Brazil/Brasil born anywhere in England cir 1897 turned up nothing but two infant deaths (one of them being the one in Hailsham above).
Sorry, I tried.
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Hi again,
My daughter has taken a photograph of the grave in St. John's Church, Crawley. When she sends it to me I will have a go at putting it on here. She is also checking out Stone Barn Cottages in Crawley Library.
Best wishes.
Sue
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With regard to Crawley info I have remembered there is a chap in Crawley (a writer and historian) who is literally "Mr Crawley". His name is Roger Bastable. I suspect he would be worth contacting to see if once and for all Stone Barn Cottages did exist in Crawley. I suspect I know where they might have been - on the A23 leaving Crawley and approaching Pease Pottage roundabout (access to M23), Tilgate Park boundary is on the left. I am sure that at one time there were some old cottages there - perhaps only two or three ....... I wonder. I do not have a phone number or address for Roger Bastable but believe he lives in the Southgate area of Crawley.
I am sending you a pm about some other info I have.
Sue
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Louisa A d/o Henry S Giles a Farrier (Smith), born Poplar, London 1886 can be found in West Ham in 1891.
I'm pretty sure this is a relative of mine. 
I have Giles' originating in Wiltshire, moving to Poplar and then onto West Ham, Essex.
Jane Watts (my ggggg grandmother's neice - very distant!) marries into the Giles family, has a brother, Isaac Watts who lives briefly in Kent with his wife Aspacia Bolina Clymene Chambers and their children; Mary, Frederick, Clymene, Almond and Alfred Isaac; although they also lived in Derbyshire, Berkshire, Wiltshire and Sussex.
I wish it had been the same Louisa, it's always nice to find a relative. 
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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