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cnerys
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 07 February 08 21:23 UTC (UK) »
Hi Frank,
Thanks for that information. It might help a great deal to enable me get Robert Robert's birth certificate. There's a possible one on the CFHS Smiley.
Kind Regards
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 07 February 08 22:38 UTC (UK) »
Hello Janet,
I had a look at Llanfwrog and Ruthin baptisms 1825 - 1835.
The only Edward Jones with a father John was Nov 16 1828 in Llanfwrog but John was a Labourer. I didn't come across a John Jones Blacksmith.


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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 07 February 08 22:44 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: cnerys on Wednesday 06 February 08 19:44 UTC (UK)
Hi Liverpool lass Smiley
I have been unsuccessful in having any contact with my relations/your relations i.e. Delyth /Hefina so have left that side of my tree alone for a while. I'll have to try Hefina's daughter again and see if she's researched any further on her nain's side. I think Owen & Mary would be her 4 x ggrandparents.

Being cheeky, I am also trying to find someone who classed himself as being born in Bontuchel in 1844 with a common name. Robert Roberts, I can't find him in the 1851 or 1861 census in Bontuchel and he's in 1871 with his wife and family. I don't know if anyone can advise me whether he might be under Gyffylliog or maybe Ruthin?


Best wishes
Nerys

Hi Nerys, I couldn't see him in Gyffylliog or Ruthin Baptisms but there was a Robert Roberts June 22 1845 S/O John & Linda in Llanfwrog.

Paul
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 07 February 08 23:05 UTC (UK) »
Hi Paul,
Thanks for that, it might prove interesting. One of Robert's daughters named her illegitimate son John Herbert Roberts and I had thought that maybe Robert's father might be a John, will look into it Smiley
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Nerys
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 07 February 08 23:17 UTC (UK) »
If you have an idea someone might be somewhere let me know I don't mind having a look in the PR's

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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #20 on: Friday 08 February 08 10:19 UTC (UK) »
Hi Paul,

Thanks for looking for the baptisms for me!  I've nothing else to go on, but I suppose it's possible that John could have been a labourer in 1828 and, by the time Edward was 1st married 20 years later, in 1848 he was a blacksmith.

I had looked on the IGI and found a baptism for an Edward Jones (birth 30.3.1828) at Mwrog Street Particular Baptist, Llanfwrog with parents John and Elizabeth - is this the one you found too?

I'm a bit stuck now!!  I'm away on holiday next week but on my return I'll try and get my head round all the information I've been given and arrange a trip over to Ruthin and Bontuchel.

Thanks again for your help,

Janet
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 16:48 UTC (UK) »
Hi Janet,  I had a look in the Wesleyan Chapel, Mill St, Ruthin. Births and Baptisms 1813-1837.
The only Edward Jones I could see was the S/O John & Mary. Wrexham. Miner. Born, May 29 1831. Baptised, June 9 1831 Sad

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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 19:19 UTC (UK) »
There is a John Jones - a Smith - in the township of Bodyngharad Isa part of Llanfwrog in the 1841 census
(HO 107/1404/12) with a large family not including an Edward unfortunately. There is a son Robert also a Smith.
Let me know if you want the details. The mother is Elizabeth.
There is also an Edward Jones living in Mwrog St Llanfwrog as a servant born 1826.

Peter
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Jones, Edwards, Davies, Owen, Benjamin , Hughes , Roberts,Thomas,Williams, Wynne , Griffiths, Howells, Rowlands etc etc
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Thomas,Trewren,Holmes,Thirlwall,Jones again & again
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 19:24 UTC (UK) »
I have spotted a baptism of an Edward Jones (in IGI - Clocaenog) on the 5 Sept 1824 with parents John & Elizabeth.
Perhaps it is an age problem.

Peter
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 20:43 UTC (UK) »
Hi Peter and Paul,

Thanks for all the information. Smiley  This isn't easy is it??!!

The John Jones and family you mention in Bodyngharad Isa sound interesting.  On the 1851 census, IF I have the correct Edward Jones, his birth place is listed as (what looks to me like) Llanferrog (maybe Llanfwrog?) which could fit.

The baptism for an Edward on the IGI which I mentioned in an earlier message, has parents John and Elizabeth, and is at the Mwrog Street Particular Baptist - all information that would "fit" with the 1841 census information.

I suppose my best bet is to try and find the baptism I mention, and then see if I can link that with any of the siblings in the 1841 census.  In all the later census' I've found for "my" Edward, his given age indicates he was born in 1828/29.  I think the ages in the 1841 census are round up/down, so the one who was a servant in Mwrog St Llanfwrog could be the one I'm looking for.

Does all this make sense?  The other option is that this is the wrong family and I'm heading off down the wrong branch!!   Huh

Janet
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 27 February 08 00:17 UTC (UK) »
It isn't is it!
I suffer from the Jones problem and am struggling.
However you know Edward's father was John and a Smith. You know he is from Llanfwrog ( that is I think is what it says in 1851). Other children in the 1841 entry I found were baptised in the Mwrog Street chapel (David and Enoch as examples). There is an Elizabeth born after 1837 so it may be worth buying the birth cert. On the minus side there seems also to be another set of John & Elizabeth Jones in Clocaenog.
I think you may have to check all the baptisms with John & Elizabeth as parents and connect them to family names. Also do any of the wedding witnesses names coincide?
If you can find the death where was he living and who did the notification?

Hope that makes sense at this late hour.

Peter
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #26 on: Monday 08 September 08 18:55 UTC (UK) »
This is my first entry so this may even go into space  Wink

My grandmother in Heywood Lancashire was a Jane Jones b. 1868 Ruthin she had 10 siblings two born in Heywood 8 born in Ruthin.
ELLEN 1874,THOMAS A.1879 born in Heywood.

ELIZABETH 1869, MARY 1872, KATE 1871, ANN 1860, MARGARET 1862, JOHN 1858, ROBERT 1864, WILLIAM 1856, born in Ruthin.

Jane's parents were William Jones 1831 Llanfwrog and Ellenor ? 1834 Denbighshire

William Jone's 1831 siblings............Robert Jones 1821, David Jones 1834,
Enock Jones 1836, Elisabeth Jones 1838. all born in Llanfwrog

William Jones 1831 parents John Jones 1791 and Elisabeth ? 1796 both born in Llanfwrog.

I was wondering if you are able to help me with these people.

Thanking you in advance ....................Moe.
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 09 September 08 03:52 UTC (UK) »
Hi everyone
These are the Mwrog Street Chapel Christenings for John Jones & Elizabeths sorted by occupation,

John Jones (smith) & Elizabeth - Bontuchel, Cyffylliog Parish
Mary    26.11.1817   10.12.1817
Robert    21.08.1821   10.09.1821
John   03.08.1823   28.08.1823
Henry   14.02.1826   28.02.1826
Edward   30.03.1828   25.04.1828
Isaac   31.03.1830   21.05.1830
William   13.03.1832   06.04.1832
David   11.05.1834   30.05.1834
Enoch   03.02.1836   25.03.1836


John Jones (lab) & Elizabeth – Porth Ogof Llanelidan Parish
Jane       17.06.1819   21.07.1829
Margarett    01.01.1822   27.01.1822
John      01.06.1824   28.06.1824* Sgubor Uchaf  Llanelidan
Enoch      01.07.1827   26.07.1827
Abel      29.08.1829   15.09.1829
Isaac      13.05.1833   21.06.1833**Groes Bach  Llanelidan
Sem      03.12.1835   05.01.1836**Groes Bach  Llanelidan
Joseph      11.03.1832   10.10.1836++Gwegil y Bryn Llanelidan
Martha      09.09.1836   10.10.1836++Gwegil y Bryn  Llanelidan

It looks as if fridayjan and moe1939 may well be related Smiley
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 15 October 08 21:03 UTC (UK) »
Hi Hiraeth, Moe1939 and everyone else who has helped with this,

Sorry to have taken so long to reply - I've just got back from holiday, but before that I was very involved with my Dean family from the Leeds area and my Skelly's from Scotland/Liverpool.  My poor brain can't cope with more than one complicated family at a time  Wink Roll Eyes.

I've just had to re-read the two pages of responses to try and get my head around all the information you've given me, and what I was after in the first place!!

As you say, the christenings for John Jones' family in Bontuchel certainly look like they fit the bill for both me and Moe1939  Cheesy Cheesy.

I'm trying to sort out all my "Dean" information at the moment, but will certainly come back to the Jones' ASAP.  Thanks again for your continuing help.

Best wishes,

Janet
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 22 October 08 19:52 UTC (UK) »
Who was I kidding when I said I'd sort out my Dean's before coming back to my Jones'   Wink 

I couldn't resist and have spent time over the last few days tracing lots of new Jones and Roberts relations to add to my tree.  Again, thank you all for your help and suggestions.

After advice from Hiraeth, I sent to the Ruthin Records Office (in Wrexham) for the birth certificate of Elizabeth Jones - and what a good service - I sent the request on Monday and received the certificate today (Wednesday!!).  She must be the right one - born 2.9.1838 at Bontuchel, Llanfwrog to John Jones (Blacksmith) and Elizabeth, formerly - wait for it ......... Elizabeth Jones!!!!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  That helps narrow things down!! 

I wonder if anyone could have a look for a marriage between John Jones and Elizabeth Jones before 1817, when their first child was born?  In the 1851 census both John and Elizabeth list their birth place as Llanynys.

I must admit I'm a bit confused with all the place names - people seem to change between Llanynys, Llanfwrog and Gyffylliog from census to census!

Mary Jones (the eldest daughter of John and Elizabeth) marries John Roberts, a Saddler, and this would fit with the scruffy piece of paper mentioned in my first message, where my mum had written "Saddlers and Butchers Shop in Ruthin".  I've found them in a Saddlers at 29 Clywd Street, Ruthin - which according to Googlemap is now a Butchers!

Janet
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