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Ancestry of Ada BORRETT
« on: Saturday 12 July 08 22:07 BST (UK) »
I am travelling to London with my 90 year old mother in September.  My daughter lives there.  My mother would like to visit her mother's birthplace and look up any living relations.  I would be interested in tracing her roots.   I have tried all day and can't find her birth records.  My mother does not know where they are.  I am trying to find it through marriage and death records in Toronto. 

I am trying to find the birthplace and any living relatives of (late) Ada Borrett ( Barrett).  The last known address I have is for one of her brothers Bill (William?) Borrett - married to Bess.  They lived at 23 Old Hale Way in Hitchin - that was during and after WW2.  I also know that they had a son Jack who emigrated to Australia.  I also have a note that there was also the ADAIR family somehow intertwined.

I believe Ada had two brothers and one sister - Ede (Edith?).   One brother, Ede and Ada all emigrated to Canada and married here.   My mother is Ada Borrett's daughter. 

I have written to 23 Old Hale Way in Hitchin but it is likely that it is owned by someone else.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I also will be looking up my late Father's family in Luten Bedfordshire.  His father William Farrar married a Lillian Waltire ( Walthire ).

Thanks for any assistance that you can provide!   Cheers!
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Re: Lookup request Ada Borrett
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 12 July 08 22:15 BST (UK) »
So, is Ada Borrett (/ Barratt) the mother of your 90-y-old mother?
is that a maiden or married name?
How old was ada when your mother was born?
can you give any birth years  of ada's siblings (ages from shipping lists? )

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Re: Lookup request Ada Borrett
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 12 July 08 23:30 BST (UK) »
Borrett or Barrett was maiden name.  Possibly born in 1891  she would have been 18 - 20 perhaps when she had my mother.   I just started to do this and have no information on the siblings other then their names.   I don't know what the shipping lists are.  New to this. I am going to try to find more info from local records in Toronto - marriage/death.  I will go to the cemetery and they might have the records - should have!  I think she was the oldest.  She had a brother William in Hitchin.  the other brother ( John?)  sister Ede (Edith?)
appeared to have emigrated to Canada in their early years .  All married here.  i will have more info perhaps Monday.

Thanks for your help! 
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Re: Lookup request Ada Borrett
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 July 08 14:23 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Welcome to RootsChat Smiley


Some Canadian marriage certs are online and would contain info about Ada's father and hopefully mother. I can see a few Ada BARRETTs so if you don't mind me asking who did Ada marry?

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Re: Lookup request Ada Borrett
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 July 08 14:43 BST (UK) »
Thanks Daisy!

Actually she was married twice.  Initially to Harley Miller - my grandfather.  She is buried with him and I am going along to the cemetery tomorrow to see what I can find out there.

She remarried ( I think ) "Mack" McConnachie or MacConnachie in thelate 50's to early 60's.  They may not have been legally married.  It is not a question that I can ask my mother.

I believe she died in July 1968 in Toronto.   I have some info that she may have been born Ada Harriet Barrett in Grimsby Uk in 1891 but I am almost positive that she was from the London area since I remember her as being very cockney.  My mother denies it vehemently as if it were a disease.

Thanks for your help.  How do I access the marriage records in Toronto?  Everytime I try to link on something there are fees and fees and I get nothing.
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 July 08 14:49 BST (UK) »
I forgot to mention that the known siblings were John, Edith and Ada who emigrated to Canada around the same time in their late teens or early 20's.  Bill (William) last known at 23 Old Hale Way in Hitchin Hertfordshire may also have been a brother. Post WW2
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Re: Lookup request Ada Borrett
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 July 08 16:16 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I found these marriages Smiley

I have transcribed the info from the images,

Groom
Harley Russell MILLER
Age: 21
Residence when married:  Toronto Ont
Birth Place: Alliston Ont 
Bachelor
Occupation: Express Man
Religion:  Presbyterian
Father:  William MILLER
Mother:  Elizabeth PATTERSON

Bride
Ada BARRETT
Age: 19 
Residence when married:  Toronto Ont
Birth Place:  London, England
Spinster
Religion:  Presbyterian
Father:  William G BARRETT
Mother:  Elizabeth JONES

Witness:  Elizabeth D KERR, 51 Bond St City
Witness:  Robert FERGUSON, 53 Shannon St City

Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1915
Marriage County: York 
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_367 


also...


Fernand BOREAUX
POB:  Brussels, Belguim
Bachelor
Age:  21
Roman Catholic
Residence:  Toronto Ont
Father: Alfouse BOREAUX,  carpenter
Mother:  Marie BOITE

Edith BARRETT
POB:  Greenwich England
Spinster
Age: 16 
Methodist
Residence:  Toronto Ont 
Father:  William Geo BARRETT,  bricklayer
Mother:  Elizabeth JONES

Witness:  Henry Dray,  80 Jones Ave, Toronto, Ont
Witness:  Estella GLOVER,  47 Autumn Ave, Toronto, Ont

Marriage Date: 31 Dec 1913
Marriage Place: York 
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_288 


If you can't access these images you could send me a personal message (click on Daisypetal then scroll down to 'send this RootChatter a personal message') with your email address and I could send them to you Smiley


I'm sorry but I can't seem to find the right link to see Canadian images online free, I'm sure I had one somewhere, it may be in here somewhere,

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html

I'm sure another RootsChat member will help with this Smiley


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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 July 08 17:26 BST (UK) »
Edith's birth reg?

Dec qtr 1897   Borrett,    Edith Maud         Greenwich    1d   1133

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Re: Lookup request Ada Borrett
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 July 08 17:27 BST (UK) »
Working backwards...


Transcribed as BERRETT, looks like BORRETT Smiley

1901  RG13/553  f.75  p.45  Lewisham, London
35 Willow Walk

BORRETT
William G    Head    31    Bricklayer. Retort setter at Gas works    Kent Greenwich
Elizabeth     Wife    43                                                          London Kensington
William G     Son       8                                                          Kent Greenwich
John H         Son    6                                                             "  "        "  "
Ada            Daur     4                                                            "  "        "  "
Edie            Daur     3                                                            "  "        "  "
Caleb           Son      8months                                                   "  "    Catford



Possible births
Caleb BORRETT    Sep Q 1900    Lewisham    1d  1191

Edith Maud BORRETT    Dec Q 1897    Greenwich    1d  1133

Ada BORRETT    Sep Q 1896    Greenwich    1d  1137

John Hurren BORRETT   Sep Q 1894    Greenwich   1d  1078

William George BORRETT    Dec Q 1892    Greenwich    1d  1062


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Re: Lookup request Ada Borrett
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 13 July 08 18:27 BST (UK) »
Looking at the age difference I wonder if this is a second marriage for Elizabeth Undecided


Marriage
William George BORRETT    Mar Q 1892    Greenwich    1d  1076
other names on page:
Minnie Pauline MARTIN
Elizabeth OLIVER
Alexander HEPBURN

I can see an Alexander HEPBURN with wife Minnie in Bromley, Kent in 1901 Smiley



Transcribed as BONETT looks more like BORRETT Smiley

1891  RG12/517  f.103  p.33  Lewisham, London
Town: Blackheath
20 Essex Place

BORRETT
John         Head    M    50    Gas Fitter Lock        Surrey Peckham
Elizabeth    Wife    M    49                                Kent Greenwich
William        Son    S    21    Jobbing Bricklayer         "  "        "  "
Ada           Daur    S    16                                    "  "        "  "
Caroline     Daur    S    14                                     "  "        "  "


1881  RG11/729  f.130  p.57  Lewisham
20 Essex Place

BORRETT
John         Head  40   Driller C??? & File Sharpener at Huh factory   Surrey Peckham
                                                                        file maker 
Elizabeth    Wife  39                                                            Kent Greenwich
James        Son  17  Plumber                                                  "  "    Lewisham
William       Son  11  Scholar                                                   "  "    Greenwich
Catherine   Daur   9 Scholar                                                    "  "        "  "       
Ada          Daur   6  Scholar                                                    "  "        "  "         
Caroline    Daur    4   Scholar                                                   "  "        "  "



1871  RG10/754  f.126  p.22  Greenwich, Kent
3 Atlas Street

BONETT
John          Head    31    Machinist    Surrey Peckham
Elizabeth    Wife    30                      Kent Greenwich
John           Son     9                         "  "    Lewisham
James         Son     7                         "  "        "  "
William        Son     1                        "  "   Greenwich



Now to find out about Elizabeth OLIVER Smiley

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 13 July 08 18:53 BST (UK) »

Sorrysomethings come up, I'll have to get back to you tomorrow.

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 July 08 19:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks daisypetal and paulineJ!   That is definitely them.  Edith married a Ferdinand Boreaux from Brussels and he made wicker.   William Jr would have lived at 23 Old Hale Way, Hitchin Herts during WW2 and after.  I have written to that address but it is unlikely that the family still resides there.

For anyone else who might be interested in that family,  two of John Borrett's (Barrett) daughters are still alive in Canada.  Ada Barrett's daughter is living in Canada

I am very new to researching genealogy and was very mind boggled trying to find this information.   You have been very helpful.  I have linked my daughter to this so she can look up the addresses in London.   

I have a lot to learn about researching my family but would like to do so.   Your help is appreciated.
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« Reply #12 on: Monday 21 July 08 10:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Shirley,

I'm just connecting this to your other post so people can see what else has been found Smiley

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,316315.msg1972675.html#msg1972675


I think I have an idea about Elizabeth OLIVER, let me look into it a bit more...

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« Reply #13 on: Monday 21 July 08 12:22 BST (UK) »
A theory about Elizabeth Undecided

On the marriages of her daughters Elizabeth's name is shown as JONES but she is OLIVER when she marries William BORRETT.

From experience of English birth certs etc I would presume that her maiden name was JONES then she married an OLIVER then married William.


In 1891 I found this widow,

1891  RG12/511  f.116  p.49  Greenwich
9 Braddyl Street

Elizabeth OLIVER    Head    Widow    34    Charwoman        Midx Town NK
George                  Son                 11    Scholar             Deptford
William                  Son                  9      "  "                    "  "
Susan                   Daur                 6      "  "                    "  "
W G GOLDBAN     Boarder       S       37  General Labourer    Kent Kingston


This looks like her in 1881, at Ancstry the VINT family are indexed as mother-in-law etc but on the image they are clearly living with another family next door Roll Eyes

1881  RG11/705  f.54  p.4  Deptford St Paul
13 Evelyn St

George OLIVER    Head    M    29    Manager China Shop       Kent Woolwich
Elizabeth             Wife    M    23    Manageress    "              Midx Uxbridge
Minnie                 Daur           3                                        Kent Greenwich
George                Son            1                                           "   Deptford       


Possible marriage,

George John OLIVER    Jun Q 1876    Woolwich    1d  1350
Elizabeth Jones with same details Smiley


Unfortunately the only way to prove this would be to get both the JONES/OLIVER and the OLIVER/BORRETT marriage certs.


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« Reply #14 on: Monday 21 July 08 14:46 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Daisypetal on Monday 21 July 08 12:22 BST (UK)
A theory about Elizabeth Undecided

On the marriages of her daughters Elizabeth's name is shown as JONES but she is OLIVER when she marries William BORRETT.

From experience of English birth certs etc I would presume that her maiden name was JONES then she married an OLIVER then married William.


In 1891 I found this widow,

1891  RG12/511  f.116  p.49  Greenwich
9 Braddyl Street

Elizabeth OLIVER    Head    Widow    34    Charwoman        Midx Town NK
George                  Son                 11    Scholar             Deptford
William                  Son                  9      "  "                    "  "
Susan                   Daur                 6      "  "                    "  "
W G GOLDBAN     Boarder       S       37  General Labourer    Kent Kingston


This looks like her in 1881, at Ancstry the VINT family are indexed as mother-in-law etc but on the image they are clearly living with another family next door Roll Eyes

1881  RG11/705  f.54  p.4  Deptford St Paul
13 Evelyn St

George OLIVER    Head    M    29    Manager China Shop       Kent Woolwich
Elizabeth             Wife    M    23    Manageress    "              Midx Uxbridge
Minnie                 Daur           3                                        Kent Greenwich
George                Son            1                                           "   Deptford       


Possible marriage,

George John OLIVER    Jun Q 1876    Woolwich    1d  1350
Elizabeth Jones with same details Smiley


Unfortunately the only way to prove this would be to get both the JONES/OLIVER and the OLIVER/BORRETT marriage certs.


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I does sound right!  That is why she is older than he on 1901 census.  I will work on those certificates tomorrow.  I also have her address in British Columbia from William's record in the Canadian War Memorial.  I was going to pursue looking into her death there but didn't know what name to use. She is listed on it at Elizabeth Borrett.

I also have John Caleb Borretts Canadian War Memorial record.   It does not show him as having died in WW1.    I can look that up too!  Thank you very much!
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