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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 26 April 08 10:39 BST (UK) »

After another phone call, I have established that the person on the other end is indeed my great aunt (however she doesn't know it yet - I am going to tell her in a letter, as explained in my blog).

I'm really excited about this, and I'm looking forward to completing as much of my family tree before the subscription runs out on Tuesday.  I'll then send it in the letter to my great aunt after that. 

Tomorrow I will post everything I find, and if you can help me....I would really appreciate it.   I'm still a beginner at this

cheers, Tristi
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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #61 on: Friday 02 May 08 15:18 BST (UK) »

Hi Tristi  Smiley

I have been keeping up with your blog ... it is wonderful .... I almost cried at your last entry ... I am sure this was all meant to be , although I know you must be feeling anxious. We are all hoping that this turns out to be a new and exciting beginning for both sides of the family!

If you need any help ... we are here . Just post the details and we will start searching.

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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 11:28 BST (UK) »

Ok, so here's the direct line ancestors for Evelyn Ridgway, as far as her great grandparents (my gggggrandparents).  I'm quite proud of how far we've come...me as a beginner with all your wonderful help. 

Evelyn Ridgway b 15/12/1910 Taunton Somerset

her parents:

Oliver Ridgway b 1885 Launceston Tasmania m 18/12/1907 West Monkton (have marriage cert), Somerset d 1966 NZ profession:  carpenter, gardener
Ellen Parsons b1881 Taunton Somerset d Huh? Profession:  Seamstress

Oliver's parents, Evelyn's paternal grandparents:
William Ridgway b1863 Bridgwater Somerset m 1883 Taunton Somerset d 1895 Carlton Victoria (32 years) Profession: carpenter [have death certificate]
Sarah Rossiter b1865 Taunton Somerset d?Huh Profession: Field worker

Ellen's parents, Evelyn's maternal grandparents:
George Parsons b1843 Taunton Somerset m1865 Taunton Somerset d??? still alive in 1907 for Ellen's marriage Profession: House Painter
Flora Hurford b1845 Taunton Somerset d??? Profession:  Dressmaker
Family had the West Monkton Post office and grocers on Taunton Rd in 1891 and 1901 census

William's parents, Oliver's paternal grandparents, Evelyn's ggrandparents:
Samuel Ridway b abt1835 Burliscombe Devon m1861 Bridgwater Somerset d1901 Taunton, Somerset (death cert ordered) Profession: market gardener
Jane Thorne b abt1825 Aisholt Somerset d1897 Taunton Somerset (death cert ordered)

Sarah's parents, Oliver's maternal grandparents, Evelyn's ggrandparents:
George Rossiter b abt1823 Isle Abotts, Somerset m 1839 d 1891 Taunton, Somerset (death cert ordered) Profession: Farm Labourer
Mary Parker b abt1836 Staple Fitzpaire, Somerset d???

George Parson's parents, Ellen's paternal grandparents, Evelyn's ggrandparents:
Abraham Parsons b abt 1806 Kingston, Somerset m??? d 1877 Profession: Labourer
Charlotte Crocker b abt 1801 Taunton Somerset d 1884
Still to confirm connection therefore haven't ordered any certs. 

Flora's parents, Ellen's maternal grandparents, Evelyn's ggrandparents:
James Batten (possibly step father as born out of wedlock) b abt1826 m 1851 d Huh Labourer
Mary Ann Hurford b abt 1826 d???

Flora's maternal grandparents, Ellen's ggrandparents, Evelyn's ggggrandparents:
Richard Hurford b abt 1789 m??? d1862
Ann b abt1791 d???

George's and Flora's parents and grandparents are a little shaky in confirming the relationships (so many kids in the census with few certs) - whether James is really Flora's father is yet to be determined. 

And now I've reached the limits of what I can do...I'm stuck.

I'd really like to know what happened to Sarah Ridgway (Rossiter) and Ellen Ridgway (Parsons).  I think Sarah may have either died in Australia or remarried.  There is some talk of Ellen ending up in a mental institution, as her husband remarried.

Also, finding the deaths of George, Flora & Mary Ann Hurford; Mary Parker and Sarah Ridgway (Rossiter) would be good to help connect to the previous generation and to see if Alzheimer's is a factor.

If you can offer any suggestions on where to go next would be much appreciated.  Cheers, Tristi
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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 12:29 BST (UK) »

Did  Ellen  and  Oliver  divorce  after  all?

regardsJenn
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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 12:37 BST (UK) »

Have you seen  this  death

ELLEN RIDGEWAY  died 1940 in  NSW fathe Thomas mother Martha  at Marrickville

no  good wrong  parents


regards JEnn
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ADAMSON from NSW,
BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR from Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE from Kent,
EDSALL from Cornwall,
BRYAN from Staffordshire,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland,
VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka
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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 12:41 BST (UK) »

The divorce we found of Oliver and Ellen Ridgway in NSW didn't seem to be related.  
William JJ Reader's (corespondent) war records said his wife's maiden name was Lambert - even though the date range for their births etc were consistent.
So we have two options:
1) Not related couple
2) Ellen lied about her maiden name when she remarried (but I think we found a birth of an Ellen Lambert too...so maybe this option is null and void)

For Oliver to have remarried he would have either:
1) had a dead wife
2) had a divorced wife or
3) was a bigamist (cool...more skeletons)

I only know about Ellen ending up in a mental hospital (don't know where), from talking to a family member.

(thanks for your continuing interest by the way) Grin
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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 12:42 BST (UK) »

Did  you  or  anyone  else  actually  have a  look  at  the divorce records  by  any  chance?

regards JEnn
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and I am researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,
ADAMSON from NSW,
BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR from Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE from Kent,
EDSALL from Cornwall,
BRYAN from Staffordshire,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland,
VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka
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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 12:54 BST (UK) »

No. 
Records were kept in NSW so a bit far away to look at in person. 
It would cost $45 to get a photocopy - I considered this a bit rich if they weren't the right Ellen and Oliver. 
Somebody suggested a transcription agent...I'm still trying to find the thread where I had that chat - sorry if I don't remember who...and I considered it until we discovered the war records with the different maiden name. 
I still have a gut feeling that it maybe the right divorce. 
If I could find records of Ellen in a mental institution then there may be clues to whether there was a divorce.
It's a mystery.... Huh

PS I just published a post on my blog if you're interested
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« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 13:30 BST (UK) »

Hi Tristi and everyone

So glad we are on the hunt again. It seems as though someone has been investigating the Parson's side as there is a whole lot of Submitted entries on IGI.

christening;
GEORGE PARSONS s/o Abraham and Charlotte
born abt 1843 West Monkton
Married Flora Hurford

marriage ;
Abraham Parsons = Charlotte Crocken 1803, West monkton

In 1841
West monkton
Abraham Parsons 50 ag lab b Kingston
Charlotte wife 50 b Taunton
Abraham son 22lab b WM
Charlotte dau 18 dressmaker b EM
Elizabeth dau 16 b WM
\Isaac 11 b WM
George 6 or 8 hard to see, b WM

in 1861 Abraham and Charlotte are still together , living at 2 Heathfield Leach Cottages ...no children with them

I can't see George in 1861  Undecided

have you ordered George Parson's = Flora Hurford,  marriage cert ... at least then we would definitely have his dad's name ...

deb
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« Reply #69 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 13:43 BST (UK) »

Hi Tristi

Just read your updated blog ....

You mention a daughter Sarah who supposedly died ...could this Sarah have been "Silly Ridgway" who was with Sarah , see below. I will recheck the 1901 UK for you ....

Found this entry on the Unassisted inward Passenger lists to Victoria 1852 to 1923
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
Chemnitz 1892, Foreign Port, Fiche 274, page 001
RIDGEWAY Oliver 6
RIDGEWAY Sarah 27
RIDGEWAY Silly 1 (probably mistranscribed)
Cheers Leonie

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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #70 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 13:49 BST (UK) »

That's the right Parson's I think.
Is 1803 too early to order a marriage certificate?

I can't find George in 1861 either.

Now that I have Ellen's marriage certificate, and I can confirm George as her father, I will order his death certificate next week.  I can't find Flora's death though.

I haven't ordered George & Flora's marriage cert yet.  It should also give me Flora's dad's name - I hope it's not Batten, because i suspect her father is somebody else.  That cert may have to wait until the week after next.  Death certificates are more important at the moment.

As for Flora, Mum found a christening for Flora Herford - so maybe there's another 'e' variant.  

Perhaps 'Sarah' is 'Silly' - but I think it's more likely to be Lilly.  Old 's's look a lot like an curly L.  I think the informant accidentally put Sarah in the wrong column.  There's certainly no mention of a child 'sarah' on William Frank's birth certificate, and he was supposed to be the last born child.  (unless Sarah was born after him - but there's no record of a sarah born in victoria)

Thanks for helping, Tristi
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« Reply #71 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 14:03 BST (UK) »

Hi Tristi

eekkkk On IGI a submitted entry;

Flora Hurford
christened; 2 may 1847
d/o James Batten and Mary Ann Hurford

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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #72 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 01:24 BST (UK) »

Hello  there

With  regards  to  to  the Divorce records for Oliver Ridgeway  and  Ellen  Ridgeway  and William J Reader named as the co-respondent.

Yes  the  marriage certificate attached says Ellen  LAMBERT born  1884 however, your Ellen  seems  to  have been  very  liberal  with the  truth, not  meaning any  offense.

Has she married  in  England  returned to Australia and been  found  out  and Oliver Ridgeway  has  divorced her.  It  is an assumtion  but  I  do  feel  it cannot be  overlooked,  the  divorce papers may  reveal an awfull  lot.

I  believe  I gave  you  a  link  to a  transcription agent (reply 35 on  your Whatever happed to evelyn thread  Grin)and also  told  you  that  I  had  hoped one of  our fellow rootschatters might be able to get into the Sydney Records Office and  get a copy of the divorce papers.  As this kind soul  hasn't done  that as  yet would  indicate  that she not  doubt  has  not  the time or means  to  get into Sydney  to take a  look for  you. 


kind regards Jenn
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BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR from Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #73 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 01:56 BST (UK) »

Dear Jenn,

Thank you so much for reminding me that it was you who told me about the transcription agent, and the rootschatter who may be kind enough to look it up for me.  I've done so much research in the last few weeks I've been getting into a muddle regularly and I can't find anything.  I hope you're not offended...that's the last thing I want to do as everyone has been so kind to me.  I do tend to come off a bit abrupt - particularly when i have limited time to make adequate replies. 

I promise that I'm not going to overlook the divorce.  I still have a hunch that I'll be able to connect it somewhere.  Keep reminding me it's there and we'll get around to it sooner or later.  Since its such a long shot, I would rather not waste the time of the wonderful rootschat volunteers checking for me (but how thrilling would it be if it  turned out to be the right divorce - I think my head would explode)

Also, Ellen and the other Ridgways do seem to be liberal with the truth.  In fact, I think it may be a family trait  Grin Wink particularly if the truth is getting in the way of a good story. 

Ellen and Evelyn came out to Sydney in 1914 (the same year as the divorce), and Evelyn's sister was left at home in England.  There's got to be a reason why.  (I know she died, but I don't know when).  Evelyn was so young...I wonder if her father told her that her mother ended up in a mental institution instead of re-marrying.  Although...there is a bit of a family history of shaky mental health. 

I wonder what the collective noun is for a group of skeletons in the closet.  My family seems to have so many of them  Cheesy

gotta go...baby awake.  Tristi
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Re: RIDGWAY - Lookup request marriage, death, anything!
« Reply #74 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 02:09 BST (UK) »

Hello  there
no  no  offense  taken.

It  is a  bit awkard cause you  have a couple  of threads  going at the same time on Ridgeway so it gets a  bit confusing Wink

regards Jenn
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I live in Thuringowa/Townsville Queensland, Australia
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ADAMSON from NSW,
BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR from Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE from Kent,
EDSALL from Cornwall,
BRYAN from Staffordshire,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland,
VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka
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