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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 February 08 22:25 GMT (UK) »
thanks very much I did get his records from the workhouse , seems he was in and out like a yoyo ,which did not give me any clues as they had lost some of them !!!!
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 06:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi RBC

My Gt Grandfather was also a Coachman (not domestic) and lived for sometime in Camden Mews St Pancras.

I located who was paying the Rates for the property he occupied. The Rates were paid with a house on Camden High Road.  The ratepayer changed a few times.
I suspect (but cannot confirm) these were his employers.
He MAY just have paid them a rent.

Good luck with your research
Tony
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Evans,  (Marylebone).
Algate,   (Wembury, Plymouth Devon)
Chammings, (Jacobstowe, Hatherleigh, Iddesleigh)
Chummings.  (Jacobstowe, Devon)
Taylor,  (Minterne, Dorset)
Taylor, Ozanne, le Huray.  (Guernsey).
Dunn,    ( North Grimston, Rillington).
Pickering, Forth,  (Crowland, Spalding).
Forth, (Welney, Norfolk)
Roberts.  (Ampthill).
Hippisley,Fry, Dagger.  (Bath,Somerset).
Dyer, White.  (Pontardawe. Bath.)
Rivis, (East Yorks.)
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #17 on: Monday 03 March 08 11:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tony

Thank you very much for your reply. I would love to know how you located the person who was paying the rates.
If I could find out who paid the rates for 25 Park Crescent Mews West in 1843 I am almost sure they would have been my GGgrandfather's employers.
This may just be the breakthrough we have been looking for.
For some reason I have only just seen these latest replies. Sorry about that.

RBC
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #18 on: Monday 03 March 08 16:14 GMT (UK) »
Mine worked and lived at 37 Chester Mews Regents Park how would I find out who he paid rates to Huh?
Thanks very much
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #19 on: Monday 03 March 08 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Sorry for any delay in reply.
I used the Rate Books at the local Council archives of the property location. So in my case for Camden Mews in St Pancras I used Camden Council Archives.

The person who paid the rates on the property where my GFather lived was recorded as was their address, which in this case was on Camden Road.

Good Luck
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Evans,  (Marylebone).
Algate,   (Wembury, Plymouth Devon)
Chammings, (Jacobstowe, Hatherleigh, Iddesleigh)
Chummings.  (Jacobstowe, Devon)
Taylor,  (Minterne, Dorset)
Taylor, Ozanne, le Huray.  (Guernsey).
Dunn,    ( North Grimston, Rillington).
Pickering, Forth,  (Crowland, Spalding).
Forth, (Welney, Norfolk)
Roberts.  (Ampthill).
Hippisley,Fry, Dagger.  (Bath,Somerset).
Dyer, White.  (Pontardawe. Bath.)
Rivis, (East Yorks.)
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #20 on: Monday 03 March 08 18:23 GMT (UK) »
thanks for your answer , does that mean a visit there then doubt if I will make it in the near future
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #21 on: Monday 03 March 08 20:20 GMT (UK) »
Yes  I'm afraid it does mean a visit or ask if the Council Archives has a research service, which is usually a smaller fee than getting a researcher to do it. A paid researcher will probably go into more detail.

From my position in New Zealand, I have found Council Archives in the UK very helpful and understanding.

Tony
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Evans,  (Marylebone).
Algate,   (Wembury, Plymouth Devon)
Chammings, (Jacobstowe, Hatherleigh, Iddesleigh)
Chummings.  (Jacobstowe, Devon)
Taylor,  (Minterne, Dorset)
Taylor, Ozanne, le Huray.  (Guernsey).
Dunn,    ( North Grimston, Rillington).
Pickering, Forth,  (Crowland, Spalding).
Forth, (Welney, Norfolk)
Roberts.  (Ampthill).
Hippisley,Fry, Dagger.  (Bath,Somerset).
Dyer, White.  (Pontardawe. Bath.)
Rivis, (East Yorks.)
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #22 on: Monday 03 March 08 23:23 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Tony
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 06:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tony and Eeyores4me.

Thank you very much Tony.

I find this very exciting Eeyores4me, my GGgrandparents Richard and Harriet Cullen were living at 57 Chester Mews in 1865. Sadly Harriet died there in 65.

We will have to compare notes.

RBC.
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 17:08 GMT (UK) »
I've just re-read your message wow the same Mews Huh how about that then .They may have know each other .=
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 14:22 GMT (UK) »
My gt-gt-grandfather is on the 1881 Census as Coachman (Dom) at The Chase Stables and the next household is "Gardener's Cottage", but why did it never occur to me till now to wonder about the employers? 

G-g-G'father was a Carman in his earlier Census entries so I take it that when younger he had been the equivalent of a van/lorry/bus driver but in his late 50s/early 60s became the forerunner of a chauffeur, perhaps a slightly less active role (but still out in all weathers if the family wanted to go anywhere).  It was he who started me climbing the family tree as I'd been told "Your GGGF was a coachman from Tiverton" but it was a long time before I tracked him down as he left Devon and did his coach-driving in London!  I've learned quite a lot since then....
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Anglesey: Pritchard & Mathew(s)
Bedfordshire: Veal. Money, Willson
Northants: Wills, Trench, Coles
Bucks: Hitchcox
London: Wills, Harris, Jones
Devon: Woodgates
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 19:49 GMT (UK) »
I have been reading everyone's letters with growing interest.
In my family I have two brothers William and George Graham born 1853/1856, they both appear in London from 1881-1901 as Coachmen domestic in Maryleborne and Knightsbridge in Mews cottages. - William at first unmarried and sharing with a groom domestic - later married but still in a Mews cottage. Further investigation will be done- but thanks everyone for giving me a fresh direction to search.
Elizabeth.
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 20:42 GMT (UK) »
coachmen is not somthing i have touch on yet
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 21:13 GMT (UK) »
Just be aware that with the advent of the motor car the role of a coachman was changing through this period 1900-1910.
Some had to become 'carters' while others just progressed to other jobs. Some would have learnt to drive the 'horseless carriage' and remained as chauffers.
There were huge changes with consequences for many during this period. With the 1911 census iminent we may see some changes to our ancestors 'traditional' roles.

My own Gt Gfather was a coachman but by 1912 he was a 'steward at a Gentlemans club'

That's not to say ALL coachmen disappeared but change was happening.
Tony
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Evans,  (Marylebone).
Algate,   (Wembury, Plymouth Devon)
Chammings, (Jacobstowe, Hatherleigh, Iddesleigh)
Chummings.  (Jacobstowe, Devon)
Taylor,  (Minterne, Dorset)
Taylor, Ozanne, le Huray.  (Guernsey).
Dunn,    ( North Grimston, Rillington).
Pickering, Forth,  (Crowland, Spalding).
Forth, (Welney, Norfolk)
Roberts.  (Ampthill).
Hippisley,Fry, Dagger.  (Bath,Somerset).
Dyer, White.  (Pontardawe. Bath.)
Rivis, (East Yorks.)
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Re: Domestic Coachmen
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 23:19 GMT (UK) »
its certainly is interesting to think my great great grandfather started off as a groom and progressed to a Coachman , the Mews where he worked still has Stables attached to them.
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