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Topic: Luton - William YOUNG m:Cornelia HOOKER 1803 (Read 620 times)
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bedfordshire boy
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Morning John, yet another public holiday here, with weather to match
We've dissected this couple before on this board, and on other boards. Was it Cornelia or was it really her sister Amelia who married William Young? We solved that one by finding the burial of Amelia a couple of months after she was baptised. Unfortunately William and Cornelia's first son is shown on the IGI as having parents William and Amelia, which is either a PR error or an IGI transcription error, and will take reference to the PR to decide which it is.
Cindy has been given Cornealia's baptism details before - see http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=4207&p=localities.britisles.england.bdf.general , and for her to say "I cannot find the family or anymore information on this couple" is a bit of a misrepresentation! See http://boards.ancestry.myfamily.com/surnames.day/3806/mb.ashx (edit - I have added replies to this post this afternoon. I don't usually look at Herts boards)
William Young age 46 was buried at Luton on 2 Apr 1824. I can't see what happened to the other William Young baptised in 1777 in Luton. John, do you think that as one of the two Williams was named as the son of William Young and Mary Robinson he was illegitimate? Would need reference to the PR probably. Can't see any other Luton baptisms in 1777 where the maiden name of the mother is shown.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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Why not put exactly what you're looking for, rather than misrepresenting what you know, or rather don't know? If you're looking for William Young's baptism and parents say just that. You sent JohnP off on a wild goose chase looking for Cornelia Hooker when you already have her baptism details and parents, and her parents' marriage in Herts.
There aren't a limitless number of databases in the world. When it comes to baptisms, marriages, and burials, there's effectively one source - the parish register. And it's not difficult to obtain pre 1800 information, particularly in Beds where virtually all pre 1812 baptisms and marriages have been extracted onto the IGI, which you in the USA can access free of charge on the internet, exactly the same as John in Beds, or I in France, can. There is no other database that a fresh pair of eyes can look at. But constantly over a period of years posting the same question on a series of boards is time wasting, and, as you've found, you will get the same answer each time.
Delighted that you've finally moved away from Cornelia and are now looking at William Young. As you may have noticed we have tried to address that issue, but looking for his baptism on the IGI is something you can do. Once you've digested the information we gave you, and if you run into problems, as you will with William, then ask for help.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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I thought it might be useful to summarise and pull together what you’ve been told over the years in various threads on a number of boards about the Hooker/Young family:
First generation
John GUNNELL of Crow End, St Pauls Walden, Herts (alive in 1747)
Second generation
(daughter) GUNNELL married (--?--) DAY (I can’t find any such marriage on the Herts Allen Marriage Index)
Third generation
William DAY born say 1730, married Susanna WHIT on 30 Sept 1753 at Sandridge, Herts. He died in 1795 at Childwick Green, Herts
Fourth generation
Mary DAY was baptised on 23 Jan 1757 at St Michael, St Albans, Herts. She married Richard HOOKER of Redbourne on 14 Oct 1777 at St Michael, St Albans, Herts. She was buried on 5 Jan 1830 at Luton aged 73. Richard was buried on 30 July 1793 at Luton.
Fifth generation
Cornelia/Cornealia/Cornalia HOOKER was baptised on 29 July 1784 at Luton, and married William YOUNG on 26 April 1803 at Luton. William was buried on 2 April 1824 at Luton aged 46. Can’t trace her death in England – could she have emigrated with her son to the USA? Last seen in England in 1851
Amelia HOOKER was baptised on 19 August 1787 at Luton, where she was buried on 3 Nov 1787
Sixth generation
William and Cornelia YOUNG had the following children, all baptised at Luton:
3 Nov 1805 William. In the IGI his parents are described as William and Amelia, which is an error; either mistranscription by the IGI or the wrong name in the parish register.
25 Oct 1807 Richard
11 Feb 1810 Thomas
9 Dec 1812 Mary. Buried 18 Aug 1822 age 11 at Luton
28 May 1815 Amos
8 Oct 1819 Matthew
9 May 1823 Sarah Buried 7 March 1833 age 11 at Luton
Lease dated 1 May 1835 confirms the age order of the children, and that William was the son of Cornelia, not Amelia –
Cross Keys Inn, Luton. Lease (counterpart)
(i) Cornelia Young, Luton, widow
(ii) William Young, Richard Young, Thomas Young, Amos Young, Luton, sons of (i)
(iii) Charles Austin, Luton, gentleman
(iv) Frederick Burr, Luton, Esquire reciting Will of Mary Hooker, late of Luton, widow, deceased dated - 18 -, by which she devised her freehold messuage and public house in Luton called the Cross Keys in the occupation of herself and her daughter (i), to said daughter for life. After her decease she devised same to (iii) and Edward Cain (since deceased) for sale when youngest child of Cornelia should attain 21. Proceeds to be divided among (ii) and also Matthew Young (in will called by mistake Martha Young) and Sarah Young, the six children of (i), in equal shares. In meantime public house to be let. Reciting also death of Sarah Young and Edward Cain and that Matthew Young (youngest surviving child of (i)) is 15. All others being 21.
Seventh generation
William YOUNG, son of William and Cornelia, married Frances HOOKER (bap 1810, the daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth) on 17 Nov 1831 at Luton. William was described as a straw bonnet presser in 1841 and a plait bleacher in a straw factory in 1851 Emigrated to the USA in the early 1860s. Their son William had emigrated circa five years earlier.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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sdbadger - it did occur to me that a computer crash was a possibility, which is why I spent time (it's actually my decision as to what constitutes a WASTE of my time: I didn't think this was) doing that summary, searching the various message boards (where the information was freely available to all). In any event, I don't think Cindy could have lost absolutely everything about this family, as she was posting information on the Day board in Feb this year, after her computer crash.
I will continue to help her where possible, as I have done over a number of years across many boards, spending much time in particular with her Cross Keys and Tingries property research.
And I'm still working on the Young side of her family, which is fresh research and not a repeat request
Cindy - have you lost all the census information as well? If so I'll happily pull that out for you as I know the boards on which it was given
David
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bedfordshire boy
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I'm finding it virtually impossible to separate the two William Youngs baptised in Luton in 1777.
There's only one marriage of a William Young in Luton in the right period - to Cornelia Hooker. There's no burial of a William Young in Luton 1777-1823, followed by your William in 1824. There's no William Young in censuses born 1777 Luton. So one or other of the Williams drops off the radar screen
If traditional naming patterns were followed then William and Mary seem to be favourites, as William and Cornelia's first son was named William, and their first daughter Mary (after Cornelia's mother, Mary née Day), the next son Richard after Cornelia's father. They couldn't name their next daughter Mary after William's mother as they already had a Mary - but in fact she died a few months before their second daughter was born so they could have done.
I still think though that William son of William Young and Mary Richardson may have been illegitimate, as there's no such marriage in Beds at the right time, nor any other children as John pointed out. And naming the mother's maiden name is inconsistent with the practice in the parish register at that time. Not that possible illegitimacy has any bearing at all on whether or not he was the William who married Cornelia. But I've also checked against William Robinson as if he were illegitimate he might have been known by his mother's name (which was the norm) but again I can find nothing.
The best place to start looking is the parish register and the 1803 marriage. What other detail is included in the marriage entry? Is a parish of residence other than Luton given for William? Who were the witnesses? Unfortunately the transcripts from which we usually work don't include witnesses, so you have to refer to the microfilm, which you can do at your local LDS Family History Centre. Alternatively BLARS would look it up for you, for which a nominal charge would be made.
David
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