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Topic: CHARLES Family STOTFOLD- mam BROWN? (Read 768 times)
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carolgriff
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Hi
After a couple of years I think I have made a beakthrough re my Charles family of Stotfold. To recap my Jabez Charles is the son of James and Mary Charles, Jabez was baptised Stotfold 1831, all of his siblings were also baptised there.
I have never found a marriage for Jabez' parents James and Mary and her maiden name was never given on any baptisms. 1851 census in stotfold shows Mary was born Sandon Herts and 1861 says something like Rysden Herts. James and Mary did have a child after 1837- Emma circa 1838 but I have never found a birth registered.
I have finally obtained a baptism cert of a female CHARLES born Stotfold 9 April 1838. dad is James Charles a labourer and mam is Mary Charles formerly BROWN.
Im pretty sure this could be Jabez' parents, all I need now is to find a marriage and a baptism for Mary. She will have been born about 1792 and I think they had their first child in Stotfold around 1815. IGI has Jabez and Jessie Browns as being baptised in Stotfold- names used by my Charles family- coincidence, a link or just popular names?
Any thoughts?
Carol
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CHARLES COOPER BEDFORDSHIRE, WALL CLEMENS CORNWALL, LOWTHER RONEY CUMBERLAND, ANDERSON RAMSHAW MULLEN DURHAM, NILES IRELAND, MCMULLEN HORROCKSLANCASHIRE, REED YORKSHIRE
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trish251
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You have probably seen it, but there are 2 Charles births in the district of Biggleswade (which includes Stotfold) 1838 - Jun Qtr Female CHARLES Sep Qtr Emily CHARLES
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bedfordshire boy
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Hello again Carol
If you check the Hertfordshire Allen Marriage Index, which is now online at https://www.hertsdirect.org/ufs/ufsmain?esessionid=E13A730D728928E8F4643DDC48E20C32_2 , there's a marriage at Bygrave Herts on 13 March 1813 between James Charles of Stotfold and Mary Males
Bygrave is a couple of miles east of Stotfold, and 4 miles from Rushden where there's the baptism of a Mary Mailes on 5 Jan 1794 on the IGI. We speculated before that Rysden was either Rushden or Royston.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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There were two James Charles, father and son, each with a wife Mary, in Stotfold, one starting to reproduce when his father left off (in fact there was a bit of an overlap). I suspect that you have the younger James, born c 1815 at Stotfold, whose wife Mary was born c1814 at St Pauls Walden, Herts. Unfortunately we only only get one bite of the cherry at her age/birthplace as she was dead by 1861 and James had remarried.
The younger James Charles had a daughter, Sarah, who was 3 in 1841. It looks as though you have the certificate for this child.
Odd, as I can't find a marriage to Mary Brown. Who I assume to be the younger James was married on 8 Nov 1834 at Stotfold to Mary Craft. Unless she was born Mary Brown and had married Mr Craft and was a widow when she married James Charles, but I can't find such a marriage. There's no chance Brown is a badly written Croft?
David
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carolgriff
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Me again
thought id list the other certs I have just received incase they are of help or anyone can throw any light on who informants are etc
death Mary Charles of Stotfold 22 nOV 1865 74 years widow of James Charles farm labourer, bronchitis, informant the mark of Jane gentle in attendance Stotfold.
death James Charles 14 Feb 1858 Stotfold 66 years almsman formerly an agricultural labourer, fever certified, informant the mark of Mary Balls present at the death Stotfold.
I assume these are James and Mary nee Males- my Jabez's parents.
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death Richard Charles 13 Sept 1837 Biggleswade 81 years labourer, old age, informant Thomas Birt master of union workhouse Biggleswade.
Im thinking this could be the Richard Charleswho is in Bedford gaol aged 78 in 1832 from Stotfold - possibly James dad? I see James son Jesse seems to have spent time here also.
Anyway- if anyone wants copies of the certs, let me know.
Im off to explore that Herts marriage site now.
carol
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CHARLES COOPER BEDFORDSHIRE, WALL CLEMENS CORNWALL, LOWTHER RONEY CUMBERLAND, ANDERSON RAMSHAW MULLEN DURHAM, NILES IRELAND, MCMULLEN HORROCKSLANCASHIRE, REED YORKSHIRE
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bedfordshire boy
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xxxx formerly xxxxx is the standard wording nationwide for the mother on a child's birth cert.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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I see that link that I gave to the Allen Marriage Index has stopped working. Try https://www.hertsdirect.org/ufs/ufsmain?formid=HALS_INDEXES
James Charles doesn't seem to have been baptised as an infant, although there's an adult christening in Stotfold in 1812 of a James Charles aged 19 which looks like him. Unfortunately no parents are mentioned. Richard Charles looks to have been a baptist, who didn't do infant baptisms, as there are two births registered in Biggleswade Baptist Church book where the parents are Richard and Elizabeth. There's also a baptism of Frances Charles in 1806 in Stotfold where her parents are named as Richard & Elizabeth, with a birth date of 8 Jan 1789 added for good measure. I think James was probably the son of Richard and Elizabeth but proving it is another matter altogether
David
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bedfordshire boy
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Whilst only half of the births registered in Biggleswade baptist church register named parents Richard and Elizabeth, the fact that Frances born 18 Jan 1789 per the Baptist records was baptised in Stotfold on 27 Apr 1806, with a birth date of 8 Jan 1789, links the Biggleswade Richard and Elizabeth with the Stotfold Richard and Elizabeth. Whilst not cast iron proof I find it pretty conclusive.
The 1813 reference was from Samuel Whitbread's Notebooks. He was the local magistrate. There's an Elizabeth Charles age 60 buried in Stotfold on 22 Dec 1813, which looks about right datewise, bearing in mind that she was having children until 1796. Age 78 in 1813 can't work as she'd be too old to have had a child in 1796. On baptism in 1764 Richard was described as "about 6". The whole family seems to have been baptised together, including Elizabeth, widow, which is odd as there's no burial of a John until 26 Feb 1770, Labourer.
David
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webb1e
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Carol,
I don't know if you have the following, which I got some years ago from the Beds Co. Archivist, who did some research for me:
· Charlie born 14th October 1783 Registered 15th February 1800
· Thomas born 24th February 1785 Registered 15th February 1800
· Frances born 18th January 1789 Registered 15th February 1800
· James born 10th April 1794 Registered 15th February 1800
· William born 28th April 1796 Registered 15th February 1800
from the Biggleswade Baptist register. It seems given the names that these could be other than Richard & Elizabeth Charles' offspring, I think
Hope this helps a wee bit,
John
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webb1e
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Oops!
I meant "could not be other than"!
John
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