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AMBLY
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Why cant find any births on sp of Robert and Helens children.. i know when and were they are born?  
Hey Rob!
2 Words and 1 phrase.....Catholic and Spelling, and "pre-civil registration"
Here you go - as full a list as I can figure for the children of Robert MULLEN and Helen COLLIGAN - I chucked an extra 1 or 2 in for good measure  :
1) Robert - 1853 - New Monkland - pre civil reg
2) Catherine - 18541855 - New Monkland - probably pre Civil reg
Robert most certainley not, and Catherine most unlikely to be - in the Index of Stat births 1855+. On average, Rob's details point to him being born before 1855. I cannot find Catherine on IGI - but I can all the others so she may have been born 1854. If they were established Church(es) of Scotland, you may find them on Scotlands People in the OPR section pre-1855 but even then it's not a given , that they were recorded. It depends on the wellness of a particular churches records (for various reason - read the help files attached to the section on OPR Births). In your case, I believe they were probably Catholic - so you will be unlikely to find them on SP full stop. Also unlikley in that case to find them on the IGI - though some Catholic entries do appear, sometimes in form of submitted entries (which may be suspect) as opposed to Extracted entries (ie extracted from the actual Parish registers.)The same would apply if they were Weslyan, Methodist etc etc. You may need to try and establish what church they would be baptised in and take it from there - various societies have published indexes of Catholic records etc). And of course - spelling variations may come into play in any potential record set!
These following should all be on SP in the 1855+ records and under the spellings shown here (making good use of the wildcard facilities in SP searches is essential). If the birth is at the end of a year, look for it in the next year also:
3) Francis - abt 1857 New Monkland - IGI has him as Francis McMULLEN born 29 APr 1856 New Monkland to Robert McMULLEN and Helen CALLIGAN
4) Mary - abt 1859/60 - Old Monkland - IGI has her as Mary MULLEN born 15 Jul Shettleston Lanark
5) Ann - abt Dec 1860.Jan 1861 - Old Monkland - IGI has her as Ann MULLIN born 31 May 1860 to Robert MULLIN and Helen McCOLLIGAN
6) Margaret - abt 1862 - Bothwell - IGI has her as Margaret McMILLAN born 16 Feb 1862 New Monkland to Robert McMILLAN and Helen COLLIGAN
7) Ellen/Helen - abt 1863/64 Bothwell - IGI has her as Helen MULLEN born 5 Jan 1864 Bothwell to Robert MULLEN and Helen CALAGHAN
8.) Bernard - ?1864/65 - 1868 Bothwell - IGI has him as Bernard McMILLAN, born 25 Dec 1867 parents Robert McMILLAN and Helen COLLIGUN (IGI has not soundexed COLLIGAN with COLLIGUN!)
9) Charles - not on any Census - IGI has him born 3 Jan 1866 Bothwell to Robert MULLEN and Helen COREGAN
10) Jane - abt May 1870 Bothwell - IGI has her as Mary Jane MULLEN born 18 Apr 1870 Bothwell, to Robert MULLEN and Helen COLLIGAN
11) Elizabeth abt 1872 Bothwell - IGI has her as Elizabeth MILLEN born 24 Mar 1872 Bothwell to Robert MILLEN and Helen COLLIGAN
12) Bridget - never on Census - IGI has her as Bridget MULLEN born 4 Nov 1873 Bothwell, to Robert MULLEN and Helen COLLIGAN
13) John abt 1876 - Bothwell. He was born after the IGI extracts for Bothwell 'closed' off. Most 'regular'IGI records go to approx 1873-1876 - sometimes you find entries dated later.
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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I do I do......... Try Bernard. Relatively rare name!
I think you're dead lucky to be a MULLEN - a flick of the pen, or the whim of an ancestor might have seen you as a plain old MILLEN, McMILLAN or McMULLEN
The IGI.
As with the lovely Scottish certificates, and the SP indexes all up - Scotland has the added joy of the IGI to be thankful for. There is very good coverage - and the best part is, the mother's surname is always (99.999%) recorded on birth/baptisms.
Different shires have differnt coverages (there are various publicised accounts of coverage levels). One particular 'foible' of the IGI is some parishes have extracted only female births or only male births (very frustrating!) - I seem to remember Dumbarton as one of those, and Ayr I think .......but I think Lanark is mostly good!
Here's a nifty tool:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm
Use this tool to find out the Batch numbers for the Parish you want.
You can then, within this tool - select the batch number look at all entries in that batch, or you can type in a surname and look at all entries with that name (including spelling variations where the IGI has soundexed the variation
However.....I do it this way......
Take a note of the batch numbers.
In a seperate Browser window, open up the IGI:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
* Put the Batch number in the box provided (make sure there is no space after the last digit or before the first letter)
* Select region: Scotland.
Now add your Batch search option options:
With that Batch number: use of the following parameters:
1) Type in a First name of the person you are looking for and SEARCH.
All entries will come up - and you can scroll through (use ;page down' arrow for speed) and find entries where the surname is same but different!
OR
2) Type in the fathers first name only, and the mother's first name only, and SEARCH.
All entries of births of children with any name, will come up where the parents have those first names. This is how I found most of your MUULENS in disguise. See how often Helen's surname was mangled!
I only had a quick flick through the batches for pre 1855 Marriages and Births, but you might want to recheck......
On searching like this, you also get to have a good overview of surname distribution, forname commonalities --- there were a lot of MULLENS (and variances) in Lanark - and a good few in same areas as yours......
Given the Scots and Irish naming conventions - I would be singularly interested in any families with similar names as yours - and in particular, those with names that are relatively 'unusual'. ie: Bernard and Francis.....
I think...there is a very strong chance that:
Robert and Helen married in Scotkand
Robert had siblings in the area too (if not parents)
Hence, the birth you sent me of a 1855 born Robert MULLEN to a father named Bernard MULLEN, who was from Ballymena Ireland, may be a good lead.
Me, I'd collect som data on these other potential MULLEN's from the Census - look at the naming patterns of the children, and then perhaps order a death certificate (of this Bernard maybe) to see if HIS parents are the same as your Robert snrs (mind your Robert, didn't have his mother listed did he? - but if he has a sibling who died Scotland, it might be on there......)
Another good tool is FREECEN:
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
ANd this one for Ayr
http://ayrshire-roots.co.uk/
And always, Google (the answer to the Universe is in Google....somewhere!
Anne
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AMBLY
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cross posted - hang fire before you go off getting ALL their certs......
There is a reason we love 1855 Scottish certificates - that year alone, saw inclusion of data that was discontinued in 1856 because it was too hard to keep-up. Some elements were re-intoduced later. You will not find details of where Robert and Helen married on any of their children born 1856 to 1860. That data was re-introduced 1861.....! And you picked on Ann b 1860
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?447
Try Bernard McMILLAN
Anne
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AMBLY
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Morning Rob!!
Great stuff ! Bernard's 1868 Bothwell birth cert confirms the suspicion - his parents Robert and Helen/Ellen were stated as married 29 Dec 1849 in New Monkland :-))
Bernard's Birth Cert was made out originally as McMILLAN - but in 1925, an entry was made in the Register oif Corrected Entries, to change all instances of "McMILLAN" on the official birth record to MULLEN.
Ann's 1860 cert (Bernard's sister) doesn't really enlarge on anything.
(PS love the entry of the birth above hers - an illigitimate child who birth was informed by a Man described as "(Name), occupier and intimate Aquaintance of mother"! 
As for Robert and Helen - there won't be a certificate even if you do find an Entry in a Church register. You'll be lucky to get much more that their names, marital status, his occupation (maybe) and "were married". You may or may not get a name of a father of one or both of them (mostly not!) Depends a lot on the church and how they recorded events
How about another Cousin? this one is descended from Robert & Helen's son: Francis Again, message is a bit old (2003):-
http://genforum.genealogy.com/ireland/messages/50536.html
http://genforum.genealogy.com/mullen/messages/787.html
I did see this Francis after 1861, on Census - but haven't got round to putting all that together
Another interesting link:
http://www.monklands.co.uk/genealogy/index.htm
Cheers
Anne
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robmullen
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Ahhhhh this is so frustrating lol cant get any further.. im trying to see if Roberts father, you know the 1, Robert, born in ireland married to Mary, but im trying to see if he was over here, or did he stay in Ireland, if he did come over, with mary and young Robert, who married in Scotland at the age of 16, cant find anything on s.p or igi, this is like winning the lottery, only to find you have lost your ticket  .....any fresh eyes out there ive gone blind 
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only i could miss it by 1 year lol 
so im going to find out what happened to Roberts siblings etc, im hooked on this, be nice to find some military records, but seeing as they were all miners. they would have been excempt from the great war.. i think