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Topic: Definately pages missing 1901 census Openshaw, Manchester (Read 268 times)
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Treelover
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Hi,
I had a query about a missing family on another forum, this is what I eventually noticed
Have just noticed something odd on 1901 census for Openshaw area.
Can anyone with access to 1901 try looking for Henry Hammond born 1870 in Macclesfield. He is on the 1901 census under the area of St Barnabas & St Luke, Openshaw
Pce 3680 Folio 72 pg 23. OK so far, now when you view, its not page 23 its page 1 of 1, so where are pages 2 - 23???
I'm sure that where I'll find my family.
AULUS added to my query with the following
The description of the enumeration district (no. 45) says it includes:
Ashton Old Rd - Nos 299-345
Davies St - Nos 1-3
Clayton Lane 6-62
South St, 1-19 & 2-30
Amy St
Masic St
Meden St 23-65 & 22-52
Part of North St
Barnabas St 31-49 & 32-50
Abbeyfield St
(v. quick transcription, probably with errors)
But Ancestry only has one image for District 45, with 61, 63 and 65 Meden (?) St, and 19, 17, 15 South Street.
So there must be at least 22 images missing.
The other pages don't seem to be on the indexes either.
Does anyone know how I can view these missing pages without going to KEW?? Is there someone I should inform??
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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Treelover
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Hi
No my friend checked Findmypast, they haven't got them either.
Or 1901censusonline
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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mosiefish
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Hi,
Just leave everything else blank and type in Piece no 3680 and folio 71 page 22 if using ancestry then click on the first name showing. The pages are all there, apart from 24 which appears to be out on a limb but accessible.
Regards,
Mo
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Treelover
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Hi Mo
I am on Ancestry, tried what you suggested but it won't find anything for me. Don't know what I'm doing wrong but if you can manage to view those records, please could you do me a very big favour and check if there is the family below
Samuel Wright Head
Harriet Wright wife
Harriet Wright dau
John Wright son
Isaac Wright son
I've tried to view like you said but no luck
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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MancsMan
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Just leave everything else blank and type in Piece no 3680 and folio 71 page 22
Hi Mo
Its is folio 72 not 71 "I did the same thing"
On the Ancestry site I have typed in
Piece 3680 Folio 72 then Pages 1 to 30
Only the pages to display were page 23 (dist 45 Openshaw) 1 of 1
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page 24 (dist 45 Ardwick) 23 of 31
Something is just not right about this piece & folio  Joan you could try emailing Ancestry, then wait a year or so 
Regards
Ken
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DS
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Hi
If you do exactly what Mo said with exactly the same reference 3680 71 22 you should arrive at a list with the name Amy Foulsham at the top.
Click on “View Record” for her. Then, when her record appears, click on “V iew Image”. You should then be on Page 22 (of 31 pages available) for District 45. You can then page backwards and forwards.
DS 
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DS
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Hello again
Another way to access the pages for District 45 (without a search name) is.....
From the Ancestry "Home" page, click on "1901 England" (on the left hand side of the screen just over half way down).
When the "1901 England Census" screen appears, scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on "Lancashire"
On the resultant screen, scroll down and select "South Manchester".
On the next screen, select "Ardwick"
On the next screen, scroll down and select “District 45” and you will arrive at Page 1 of 31.
DS
ps What is almost as strange is that if you try and post "V iew Image" on RootsChat without inserting a space to break up one of the two words, it just appears on the board as “.”
What is that all about ?
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mosiefish
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Hi,
Well that saved me trying to explain it. Thanks DS (and hope you had a very Happy Birthday yesterday too).
Treelover, I still can`t find them at all. Any possibility that the mother remarried and the children were recorded under a different name?
Regards,
Mo
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Treelover
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Hi, Mo DS & Ken,
Going to try what you have advised, but since Mo says they are not there may not be worth it. I know they are in Openshaw, Sam & Harriet married 9 years earlier, they have at least one more child born 1902 in Openshaw, so no they haven't split up.
The thing is, this is just one district, how many more has it occurred in? I can think of at least two different families where there is someone "gone missing" on the 1901 not just in Manchester area. I have actually emailed the Records Office at Manchester and asked them if they have these missing pages on microfilm and explained all the 1901 census records that can be accessed online do not shown this district.
I suppose it is possible they were in another part of Openshaw (maybe that district got missed also) or they just weren't recorded.
I can still "work backwards" with my families, but there may be quite a few people out there who cannot get further on with their tree because a record like this is missing. 
Thanks to all for your help
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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andycand
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Hi Treelover
The pages are not missing. If search for Pce 3680 Folio 72 Page 23 it comes up with a list of names including Henry Hammond. Select view image for Henry Hammond and as you say, at the top it says image number 1 of 1 but if you look at the actual image it is Page 23 and Henry Hammond and family are on it.
To access the other pages in Enumeration District 45 you need to do as DS suggests
Another way to access the pages for District 45 (without a search name) is.....
From the Ancestry "Home" page, click on "1901 England" (on the left hand side of the screen just over half way down).
When the "1901 England Census" screen appears, scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on "Lancashire"
On the resultant screen, scroll down and select "South Manchester".
On the next screen, select "Ardwick"
On the next screen, scroll down and select “District 45” and you will arrive at Page 1 of 31.
DS
You can then scroll through all the rest of the pages for District 45. The images go 1 to 22, skips 23 and then 24 to 32. Also the people on these pages are in the index and should be found when searching.
As far as the Wright family is concerned, if they were in that District, then a search should find them so it may be a case of mistranscription or they may be elsewhere. If you put as much info as you have such as ages, birthplaces, also Samuels occupation, then fresh eyes may find them.
You mention a child born in 1902, do you have an actual address?
Andy
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Treelover
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Hi Andy,
Thanks for your input. No, don't have address yet, someone else is supposed to be ordering his birth certificate, the family are "one the other side" of my tree 
I appreciate everyone's help on this thread. Still think they heard a knock at the door and thought it was the tally man and didn't answer it hence reason for not being on census.
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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Treelover
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Just received this email from Manchester Archives Library
Dear Mrs Clegg,
Thank you for your enquiry. I have checked some of the streets for you on the 1901 census with the following results.
Ashton Old Road – too many microfiche to check.
Davies Street – entry for 1 Davies Street in RG13/3693, folio 136. This may be the wrong Davies Street since it is in the ecclesiastical parish of All Saints, St. Luke’s ward.
Clayton Lane – (6-62). These appear in RG13/3680, folios 61-63.
South Street – too many microfiche to check.
Amy Street (2-22,1-17) – RG13/3680, folios 65-67.
Masic Street – can’t trace in the 1901 census street lists or the street directories.
Meden Street - can’t trace in the 1901 census street lists or the street directories.
North Street (1-21, 4-10) RG13/3680, folios 63-64.
Barnabus Street – numbers you require are not there.
Abbeyfield Street – (2-20, 3-19) RG13/3680, folios 64-65.
So Lets hope my family weren't living on Barnabus Street 
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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