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Topic: Help needed! Stewart/Reid/Whyte (Read 922 times)
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ladybird
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Hi Kes
The Stewarts, Whytes and Reids were indeed a part of the Scottish Traveller families which included my Townsleys. I also have a Matilda Stewart (c1810) and a Betsy Whyte in my tree but probably too early for your family. They did tend to marry into the same families.
Have you tried the scotlandspeople website for your earlier names and census details? It costs £6 for 30 credits but may be worth your while
Sylvia
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ladybird
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Mmmmm, sorry Kes I see your problem
The only suggestion is that McEwan was possibly James Stewart's mother's maiden name....and also that you check the Scottish naming patterns if you know which order the children were born.
ie if Alexander were the eldest it's possible James' father's name was Alexander.
The second son would be named after Elsie's father.
And Agnes could be named after Elsie's mother.
Could that name be Elspeth by the way?
Sylvia
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ladybird
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Just a thought but there are a couple of lovely books you might want to check out by a Betsy Whyte - not my Betsy unfortunately.
The Yellow on the Broom
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Red Rowans and Wild Honey
They really give an insight into the Traveller way of life and will go some way to explaining the way the families mixed.
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ladybird
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Hi Kes
I think you'll find if you can get back further with your names that they will be on census. I have a couple noted as "in tent" on Common Ground, so the census enumerators did manage to track them down quite well.
Was also doing a quick trawl through my names and up popped
Elspeth Alice White born c1846 Falkirk, Stirling, died c1900.
It's quite possible that this Elspeth has nothing to do with your Elsie, but the families were very intermarried so there must be a connection there somewhere.
She married Alexander Townsley 1874
Children were
Townsley, John White
Birth : 22 APR 1872 Cadder West / Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Townsley, William
Birth : 23 NOV 1873 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Townsley, Christina
Birth : 10 NOV 1874 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Death : ABT. 1883 Dennistoun, Glasgow
Townsley, Hugh
Birth : ABT. 1877 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Townsley, Alexander
Birth : ABT. 1879 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Townsley, Catherine
Birth : ABT. JUL 1880 Yoker, Dunbarton, Scotland
Townsley, Alice Elsie Elspeth
Townsley, Robert
Birth : ABT. 1887 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
You'll find them evetually
Sylvia
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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RBcabal
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Hi there
I also am researching the Stewarts/Whyte(White)/Kelbie names, and am currently doing a one-name on the KELBIE family name. My late wife was a Kelbie, so this is sort of a memorial to her. I have a long way to go yet to get all those I know off - probable a year to collect all the certificates, and longer once I start into the Old Parish Records. As I live quite near Edinburgh I have quite a lot of confirmed information on this name already and would be willing to help you out.
I notice from this posting you are looking for a James Stewart m. Elsie White: they had 2 sons - Alexander McEwan b.1932, and Andrew Higgins b.1937. Alexander married Isabella Kelbie b.1935 and have a daughter Elsie b.1957. Andrew married Catherine Kelbie b.1939 d.1960. Of this lot I only have transcripts of both the Kelbie girls births, and of Catherines death, and Elsie Stewarts birth.
If you are having difficulty obtaining the certificates I can obtain transcriptions for you as I go over to Edinburgh quite frequently. It would also help me with the other lines on the tree!
Hope to hear from you soon
Bill
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ladybird
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Hi Bill
A bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if you've come across a Matilda Stewart born about 1810 ?
She married Robert Townsley, sorry no marriage date for them, but the earliest child I have for them (Robert) was born c1829, Marybole, Ayr.
They were travellers too so could have been born/married anywhere!! 
regards Sylvia
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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RBcabal
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Hi Sylvia
Cant say I have come across them - Stewarts and Townsleys are prolific names. However I have come across this site on the Townsleys which is quite comprehensive- ://homepages.tesco.net/~townsleyb/TownsFH/html/index.htm
As I am currently doing a one-name on the KELBIEs my interest outside that stem is temporarily on hold - at the outside I would think for at least a year. However, that doesnt mean that they are forgotten and I will be able to do some look-ups for those other branches each time I go across to Edinburgh.
From what I can see my Townsley connections came up to Scotland about the turn of the 18th century - in 1853 I have them in Northumberland and they dont appear on the Scottish censuses until 1901. The English Townsleys - from what I can see - often used the same names in each generation, so it becomes difficult to pin them down. That site might throw out some light for you.
Happy Hunting
Bill
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ladybird
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Thanks anyway Bill
I do know of this website and it has been useful at times
Sylvia
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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cookie3
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hi davy stewart here you sent me a message and i tried to answer it but got confused about do it i feel a fool as i havnt used this site much so i searched for your name and replied to this one so im very sorry i submited a post by mistake, i think it was the one i was sent, anyway i am very thankful for your reply i am trying to research 3 trees at the moment the stewarts my fathers side,,the millers my mothers side,, and the bucklands my wifes side but i dont seem to be geting anywhere with the stewarts, the names in the message you sent me are very very similar to mine but i dont think its them, if you could send me an email address please, i could send you some certificates and you would understand better and they may even help you out as well, my email is rachel3cookie@yahoo.co.uk would be thankful if you could have a look at them,,thanks,,davy stewart, darlington co durham ps i know my grt grandfather hugh stewart is burried in the grounds of dr greys hospital,, its in elgin i think
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McCann
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I just read your posts and I too have some Reids and a Whyte and they seem to be travellers themselves. I have:
gg grandparents - John Cook married Elizabeth Reid (b.1842)(She had a brother James, among many others)
ggg grandparents: Elizabeth's parents were David Reid (b. 1811 in Montrose) and Mary Bain
gggg grandparents: David's parents were David Reid (b.?) and Betsy Knowly.
Mary's parents were James Bain and Janet Whyte.
Births, deaths and marriages are all from miscellaneous counties - Angus, Midlothian, fife.
I'll let you know if I come across any of your gang.
McCann
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