Jane Manley
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Hello
I'm not sure if this board is the best place to put this, but this is the only confirmed known place for this chap!
Frederick Gilbert Dawson (33)married Mabel Ellen Cook(18) in June 1914 at Hoo. I have the entry in parish reg of Hoo St Werburgh (from city ark). He says he is a sapper RE. His father is listed as James (joiner deceased) and her's as Alfred George Cook (carter deceased).
They have a daughter Ruth Freda Lilian b 19th March 1916 who died and buried in June 1919 both at st margarets church Rainham (then in Milton district). When born the address was recorded as 46 Ivy st, Rainham and when died 327 Station Rd, Rainham.
Mabel Ellen then went on to marry Sydney Manley Jun1920 in Bridgend Wales. He was a miner from the Rhondda, who had been in sapper in RE too! After being gassed he was discharged ( 20.9.17)and somehow came to Kent before going home to Wales with Mabel.
Rumour has it that they were divorce. How do I find that out? Why?
If so where did Frederick go/
Frederick was an officer? Was he in RE before war?
Frederick and Sydney served together?
Where did Frederick come from?
A fish and chip shop may be involved?!
answers on a post card to!!
Jane
many thanks
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CaroleW
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1891 census for Tranmere Cheshire - all surname Dawson - all children below Robert b Tranmere Cheshire
Sarah 39 married b Bebington Cheshire
Robert 19 (Rock Ferry) Tranmere
Ada 15
James 13
Herbert 12
Frederick G 10
Sarah 8
Effie 6
Frank 2
Walter 3 months
The 1881 is available at www.familysearch.org
Can't answer any of the other questions re: divorce etc but, if it was my FH, I would want to be absolutely sure there was a divorce before I tried to track one down. A copy of her marriage cert to Manley will show if she was a widow or divorcee
If she only married Dawson in 1914 and re-married in 1920 - that's rather quick for a divorce in those days
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CaroleW
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Given that Sarah is shown as b Bebington and Robert was their eldest child - this could be their marriage from Cheshire BMD
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1866 to 1870
DAWSON James COTTRELL Sarah Bebington, St Andrew Wirral BK58/2/494
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Jane Manley
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hello
I sent off for the marriage certif for Sydney and Mabel and the marriage took place in the registry office in Glamorgan.
In name it says "Mabel Ellen Dawson formerly Cook spinster".
Condition section says " the divorced wife of Frederick Albert Dawson".
So apart from an old relative saying he once saw the certif, we now have proof.
If I apply to get a search on the central decree absolute index - will it tell me who divorced who? and why?
As you say it is pretty swift work! I wonder for what reasons or conditions were acted upon swiftly?
any ideas
Thanks Jane
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jorose
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Their divorce is at J 77/1394/2780. Frederick Gilbert Dawson and Mabel Ellen Dawson, husband's petition for divorce, dated 1918.
The Times, Friday, Mar 07, 1919; pg. 2; Issue 42042; col E
Probate, Divorce, and Admiralty Division
K. B. Court III (long list of cases)
Dawson, F. G. v. Dawson, M. E. (494).
(ETA: K.B. = probably "King's Bench")
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casalguidi
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I must have been half asleep 
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jorose
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There is a Frederick G. Dawson married in 1922 to Margaret Clement, back in Birkenhead district, on freebmd - possibly this is his remarriage? If only they gave full middle names! 
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CaroleW
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It's him - per Cheshire BMD
DAWSON Frederick Gilbert CLEMENT Margaret Birkenhead, Civil Marriage Wirral BW/116/141
www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
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Jane Manley
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hello
The typo error must have occurred on Mabels 2nd marriage certif when written all those years ago. All other entries I have, he is a Gilbert!
I,m really glad that I looked on here tonight. As I was going to post the letter and cheque to request info about the divorce at the Principal Registry of the family division. It is sitting on the hall table!
Will we ever know why they were divorced? Does this mean he started divorce proceedings in 1918 and it was finally granted in 1919? Is this the usual length of time? Do you have to separate before starting a divorce? They were not married long and was he away at war? Is the daughter ,Ruth, b 1916 his - could this be a reason?
Oh so many questions!
A bit of advice needed - should I still send the letter and would I get any more info or just what you have all told me?
Thank you so very much for looking for me
Jane
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Jane Manley
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hello
Just an update!
Well after a long gap - I decided to send off for the divorce documents. The divorce was done by Frederick while still on the Western Front WW1 and signed by the armies solicitor at HQ. Basically saying that the child could not be his as he was in France during that time. All completed in London with neither party present- And the divorce was granted. No fee paid as a lovely BIG stamp of POOR on it!!
Not much other info , except a few residences listed, and unfortunately no link to his unit he was serving in.
At least I know the divorce happened, but really hoped there would be some useful info on it too.
~so thats the end of that story.
thanks to everyone who helped
jane
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