DEKKAXX
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Hello,
Could someone look up 2 marriages for me at Manchester Cathedral please?:-
a) George Frost=Sarah Wiggins Bradshaw; 18/09/1845.
b) William Frost=Ellen Jarvis ; 26/01/1846.
I am trying to find George Frost marr. to Ellen Jarvis & I am wondering if 1 or the other of these is a mistranscription. He was a serving soldier in the 70th Foot. His father's name is believed to be Jeremiah Frost.
If someone could try to get me all the details of these 2 marriage entries then I can eliminate either 1 or both.
Thank You;
Regards;
Derek 
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Hi Derek,
Came across your request accidently, you are on the look up offers page.
18 Sep 1845 Cathedral
George Frost Full age Bachelor Groom Bk Lloyd Street father George /Gunmaker
Sarah Wiggins Bradshaw Full age Spinster Bk Lloyd Street father William /Dyer
witnesses
William Morrison
John Mo??ie
26 January 1846 Cathedral
William Frost Full age Bachelor Tailor Lombard Street father Jeremiah Frost /Tailor
Ellen Jarvis Full Spinster Lombard Street father Monkreith Jarvis /Mason
Witnesses
Edward Maxwell
Ann Baye
Don't you just hate it when they put full age.
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Forgot to mention
William Frost & Ellen Jarvis signed their names, so did the witnesses.
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DEKKAXX
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Thanks for those KR.
This is a real mystery! I have a B. Cert. from Dec. 1845 for my Gt. Grandfather named George Frost. He was born in Deansgate, Manchester. On it his mother is named as Ellen Frost (formerly Jarvis) & his father is given as GEORGE Frost, Pte. in 70th Regiment of Foot.
Now I know for a fact that the older George is the son of Jeremiah, tailor & I have his service record which helped me to find him on the 1861 when he is described as a tailor but at that time he is with his brother Ambrose's family in Essex which is were he was born ( Jeremiah was also) but there is no wife for George.
He did have a brother named William but how can 2 brothers marry a girl with the same name, & the 2nd one marries her just 2 months after the birth of a son by the first one? In addition she uses her maiden name on the birth cert. & on the marriage to his brother!
On top of all that on the younger George's marr. cert. in 1873, he says that his father, George, is a tailor! So everything fits exactly except for this Jarvis woman!
A right puzzler this one!
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Derek 
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Hi Derek,
Just out of interest, did Ellen Jarvis actually marry Geroge Frost, or did she just have his child ?
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DEKKAXX
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Hi KR,
I have searched everywhere for a marr. & have had a researcher searching for me down in London too but have never been able to find this marriage.
The weird thing about this is the statement on George (jnr's) birth cert. which clearly says Ellen Frost (formerly Jervis) so from that I have always assumed that they were married before his birth in 1845.
On top of that the 70th Foot came back to England in 1843 but left for Ireland at the latter end of 1845 so even that fits into the scenario.
Although it's a chance in a mill. there may have been 2 Ellen Jarvises or she may have thought that she would never see George (snr) again & married William bigamously. That raises another Q. What was William, a tailor from Essex doing in Manchester at that specific time, when all the family roots are in Essex & Suffolk?
A real quandary!
Regards;
Derek
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Hi Derek,
It must be the effect Manchester has on people.
I have a family member who remarried in 1876, I assumed her first husband was dead, but I couldn't find his death recorded.
She went on to have eight children with her second husband whilst her first husband was still alive.
I eventually found the first husbands death in 1897, He was still in Manchester.
Another family involved two brothers she married one had two children, then lived with the other brother as man & wife for the next 40 years.
But we love a puzzle really.
Good luck with yours Derek.
KR
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Hi KR,
Just to compound matters further. I looked at the IGI on the LDS site last night & someone has now put on there a birth for a George Frost, parents, George Frost & Ellen & the entry was made the day before William Frost & Ellen Jarvis got wed. The bapt. was on Sunday & they got wed on Monday!
The mind boggles!
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Hi Derek,
Found the baptism on IGI 25 Jan 1846 Cathedral
Do you want me to look this up for you to see if it gives you any more clues, I will be going in a couple of weeks.
KR
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DEKKAXX
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Hi KR,
Yes please. It may give some small detail that could be helpful. It's certainly an enigma!
Derek 
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Hi Derek,
Will have a look.
KR
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Hi Derek,
Nothing that you don't already know.
25th Jan 1846 Cathedral Baptism.
George son of George and Ellen Frost born 5th November 1845 Manchester Tailor.
I think it was the 5th, the number wasn't clear.
KR
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DEKKAXX
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Thanks for that KR. I shall just have to keep on ferreting about until I come up with something.
Best Wishes
Derek
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