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Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« on: Sunday 10 February 08 02:18 GMT (UK) »

John Furmston,  baptised 1821 in Ellesmere, Shrop.  Parents Edward & Ann Furmston.I have all the records for his parents and siblings,but he has me puzzled. I haven't been able to find him on census records at all. His father died in 1839 & John was mentioned in his will,so I gather from this he is still alive in 1839.
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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 February 08 05:37 GMT (UK) »

1841 H0107/918/5 folio 34 page  11 Ellesmere Pimhill  Shropshire


Cockshuth?

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John Parker age 30
Mary age 30
William age 10
Ann age 8
Mary age 6
John age 2
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Mary Furmston age 35
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a few families up
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Andrew haycock age 40 Butcher
Martha Haycock age 35
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Thomas Dickens age 10
Sarah Dickens age 3
Thomas Price Butcher age 20 Butcher J
Samuel Wade age 20 Butcher J

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John Furmston age 15 M S
Mary Thomas age 20 FS
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Ann Furmston age 73
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John Haxley age 70 ag lab
Elizabeth Haxley age 60


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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 February 08 08:06 GMT (UK) »

Hello Pam,

Thank you I have these records unfortunately this is not my John but obviously rellies.

The Ann Furmston age 73 you found is his grandmother, she died a couple of years later,  I have also found a John Furmston in Cross st Ellesmere at 14 years of age an apprentice grocer for his brother Edward, on the 1841 census.  However as he has a brother  Edward and, this is him,
I figure the age of 14 when he was actually 20 made me wary to take it as my John.
What do you think?

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 February 08 08:24 GMT (UK) »

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Was your  Edward married to a Sarah? The age for John is 14
on the 1841. It seems as if it is the right family. Is is possible that John 1821 died and another John born??


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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 February 08 09:22 GMT (UK) »

Hi again,

Yes Edward was married to Sarah and definately a brother to John.
John,s mother had 2 more children after John, Susannah 1823 & Henry 1824. Two months after the birth of Henry his mother died, Henry also died when he was 4 months old
So there was not another john in this family, so I don't know why if John the apprentice was Edwards brother he was listed as 14. Maybe another relative.
I haven't been able to find him on other census records, unless he died after 1839 when he was mentioned in his fathers will . or, maybe he emigrated to another country!!

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 February 08 09:58 GMT (UK) »

Hi Judy  Smiley

I'll just put up the link to the previous thread to avoid possibly duplication of effort:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280719.0.html

Have you checked the Welsh censuses for him - Denbighshire and Flintshire bordering parishes might turn something up.

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 February 08 10:38 GMT (UK) »

Hello Gadget,

Thanks for doing that, I will try the wales census again

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 February 08 10:46 GMT (UK) »

There is a possibility that he might be in the Hanmer/Bangor on Dee, etc. parishes that are on the Flintshire side of the border from Ellesmere and, very sadly, i think the 1841 census for those parishes are missing  Cry Cry Cry

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 February 08 11:17 GMT (UK) »

Thanks again Gadget, I guess I should say here that John is a brother to Thomas on the previous thread.
Is this permissable to continue to ask for help with the same family, I do hope someone there will tell me if I'm not running true to form, this is all so new to me, the internet etc; I don't want to do the wrong thing as you have all been so kind.
I will follow through with the last post advice.

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 10 February 08 12:15 GMT (UK) »

Judy

Of course you can continue to ask for help on the same family  Smiley

Linking to any other thread helps other lookers up.

I've had a flash back to my 1841-51 Census CDS of the area and I'm sure I found some Furmstons in the area between Ellesmere and the Chirk/Ruabon parish boundaries. They're not indexed so it could take me a while. I'll get back if there's anything that looks interesting on them  Smiley

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #10 on: Monday 11 February 08 03:40 GMT (UK) »

John Furmston,  baptised 1821 in Ellesmere, Shrop.  Parents Edward & Ann Furmston.I have all the records for his parents and siblings,but he has me puzzled. I haven't been able to find him on census records at all. His father died in 1839 & John was mentioned in his will,so I gather from this he is still alive in 1839.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Have you considered looking at spelling variants?  My ex husband has Firmston in his tree (Henry who came to NZ 1850's) and has family in the area you mention...i'm at work and can't check all my details but i will when i get home.

Variants are Formston/stone, Firmston/stone; Formeston  They are mentioned in the book The History of Myddle, written by a villager Richard Gough in the 1600's i think it is...made for most interesting reading...the usual goings about of the villagers lives.

There is a picture of Henry Firmston on my website and his daughter Mary Mathews WILSON nee Firmston who was born on the way to NZ.

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #11 on: Monday 11 February 08 04:34 GMT (UK) »

Hello Sarndra,
I have tried those variants and more, so frustrating isn't it.

I have just had a brief look at your website, what a wonderful effort, i will have a closer look when I have some quiet time, I'm always interested in other peoples genealogy.

Interesting about the NZ Firmston.

One of John's brothers George immigrated to Australia in 1852, I had all of them tracked except for one daughter, it was by sheer chance I stumbled upon her in NZ!! she went there in 1897 at 28 years of age, married a Michael Staunton in Dunedin and died without children in 1902.
Her name was Florence Amelia Furmston. One wonders why she would have gone there on her own. 

You never know what to expect with family history do you!!

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 11 February 08 06:05 GMT (UK) »

Hello Sarndra,
I have tried those variants and more, so frustrating isn't it.

I have just had a brief look at your website, what a wonderful effort, i will have a closer look when I have some quiet time, I'm always interested in other peoples genealogy.

Interesting about the NZ Firmston.

One of John's brothers George immigrated to Australia in 1852, I had all of them tracked except for one daughter, it was by sheer chance I stumbled upon her in NZ!! she went there in 1897 at 28 years of age, married a Michael Staunton in Dunedin and died without children in 1902.
Her name was Florence Amelia Furmston. One wonders why she would have gone there on her own. 

You never know what to expect with family history do you!!

Judy

Hello again :-)

I thought you'd probably done all the variants and yes it's hugely frustrating but so rewarding when we hit gold :-)

Our Henry b 1832 Leaton had siblings William; Margaret b 1826 and Eleanor b 1831.  I know nothing about the siblings.  Their parents were William bc1791 Leaton Heath and Mary...both lived at Fitz.  I have some information gleaned from the IGI over the years relating to some Ann's (for some reason..don't ask me why...i can't find any in the ex's tree!) ... I shall send this to you via the messaging option :-)  ...as you say you never know!

As an aside... my parents who live in Christchurch, NZ ended up having a direct neighbour for a few years who's maiden name was Firmston and related to my ex...however NZ is in the big plan of things..small :-)

Thanks re the feedback on my site..it's been a labour of love and i've enjoyed doing it immensely over the past nearly 9 years...everyone should have one!  You wouldn't believe how much it's helped me out as well.  Cheesy

Cheers
Sarndra

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 12:22 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

not sure if this will help any but Edward Furmston married 3 times.

John's mother Ann Hampson died in about 1827. Edward then married Mary Veneables in 1928 and she died in 1830. Edward then married Emma (Amelia) Mary Maddocks.

Edward then died in 1839.

George can be found with Emma and her daughter in the 1841 census:
1841 H0107/918 /4 folio 49 page 22 Ellesmere Pimhill Shropshire Emma Furmston ind age 44  all born in county Mary Maddox age 35 F S Eliza Maddox age 15 F S Geo FurNston age 11

Also in Pimhill Shopshire is a John Furmston born 1827. Could this be him??

George appears as a traveller / journeyman and saddler in 1851 census on his own.

It might be a wild tangent but who knows.

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Re: Looking for a John Furmston, help!!
« Reply #14 on: Friday 07 March 08 05:08 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Kim,
I have all of this info, My John Furmston was definately born in 1821, I have the Parish record, but he is elusive since then. I guess when I least expect it he will crop up in some record.
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