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william webb
« on: Sunday 10 February 08 09:34 GMT (UK) »
hi,
could anyone help as to a birth or baptism date for william webb b;1867, d;04/02/1913. i have death cert and marriage cert (to sarah webb) but cannot find birth reg. his father is listed as thomas webb, traveller, on the marriage cert. married and buried in essex. his death also featured in local papers as large gypsy burial.
running out of ideas and would really like some help if anyone has got any info.
thank you Smiley
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Re: william webb
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Amanda

I have seen a posting of yours where you say that Sarah Webb is the d/o of Thomas Webb and sarah Pearse.

I found their marriage
Thomas Webb = Sarah Pearse
Sept 1871
Ongar Essex.

Did Sarah, their daughter,  b 1870 have siblings?

When did William Webb marry Sarah Webb? And have you traced them and do you have census details for them . That may help with finding the area where William was born.

who were their children? If you have names and dates this may help to find them....

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Re: william webb
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 16:28 GMT (UK) »
This looks them in 1901 RG13/1688 Folio 62 Page 37

Birthplaces all down as Southend Essex  Undecided
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Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
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Richards - Neath Swansea
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Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
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Re: william webb
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 16:47 GMT (UK) »
ooo good one CatOne  Grin

I have not had any luck with previous censuses .... will try again ...

deb  Smiley
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Re: william webb
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 17:36 GMT (UK) »
Britania Webb March 1893 Chelmsford Vol 4a Page 5_5
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
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Re: william webb
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi CatOne

marriage
Sarah Webb = William Webb
June 1890
Rochford Essex


Arrgghhhhh where are they in 1891 ?

Seems like the enumerated made things easier for himself by putting them all down as being born in Southend in 1901....

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Re: william webb
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 18:33 GMT (UK) »
I give up!  Undecided They must be hiding well  Roll Eyes

Good Luck Deb!  Grin
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: william webb
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 19:43 GMT (UK) »
hi catone and deb usa,
thanks to you both for the postings.

that census is definately them, their children are; william 1891-1963, britannia c;1893, john webb 1894-1941, alice 1897-1983, thomas 1898-1917, florence 1901-1926, levi 1910-1911, ? rose c; 1913.

william & sarah married 23/06/1890 in thundersley, essex and says they are both from thundersley.

william died 04/02/1913. sarah died possibly 1940ish??
i know this lot from the church records and family but cannot find any other census record for them.

sarah 1870, had siblings i believe, cecilia, thomas, alice, britannia, ada,  jack, leanne and levi. alot that she named her own children after. her parents are thomas webb and sarah webb.

(according to family chinese whispers, the surnames ''pearse'' & ''bibby'' come in somewhere).  Roll Eyes
gosh!!!!! i need more help. this lot haven't made things easy at all, have they!!!
thanks guys, really appriciate the help.
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Re: william webb
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 20:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Amanda

I saw a family in one of the censuses with the name Bibby... I wrote the name down as the names and dates seemed to fit ...but I couldn't figure out how Webb became Bibby ...

I will see if I can find them again ...

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Re: william webb
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 20:37 GMT (UK) »
ah ha

This is the family I had found in 1881

Stocking pelham, essex
Caravan

Thomas BIBBEY 29 tin hawker b Chelmsford Essex
Sarah wife 26 b Chelmsford
SARAH dau 9 b wedford Essex
Zelia dau 7 Brentwood , essex ...could she be Celia /cecilia?
Esther dau 5 b Mafeking Green essex
Thomas 4 b Raleigh Essex
Emily A b Brentwood

This was the only Sarah b c 1870ish that I could find with a father = Thomas and mother= Sarah

I will look some more now that we have other names

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Re: william webb
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 22:47 GMT (UK) »
thanks deb thats really great. i wonder if its them

apparently the name bibby comes from the mothers maiden name. but that leaves me as to why the name pearse has come up. an older family member said he married twice and so there are 2 mothers.
hearsay suggests that some of sarahs siblings took the name bibby and some took webb. i know that john used bibby and lived in rochford essex, but he was always called jack (that happens alot with those two names)
im confused!!! Cheesy
i found that census to. very similar names. as you say i could'nt find any others either.
this lot are either very good at hiding or have so many ''alias'' that i might never find them Undecided
oh well, here we go again!!!!!
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Re: william webb
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 14 February 08 12:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Amanda

I have been on the 'hunt' again.

I found this interesting family;

1871;
Maldon, Essex
Beeleigh rd, St Peter

Tulbridge
Travelling Hawker
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Thomas WEBB head mar 31 hawker b Essex, Althorne
Charlotte wife 32 b Colchester
Amey dau 14 b??leigh
Alice dau 14 b Suffolk, Ipswich
Thirza dau 12 b Essex
Britance SON 11 "
Celia dau 9
William 7 b Essex

what do you think?

deb  Smiley

added  Just found these 3 children all by themselves but in the same place ...according to transcriber they are the children of Thomas and Charlotte ... so I think they belong to the above family;
Eliza 4 b Essex
Matilda 2  "
Patience 10 weeks b Essex
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Re: william webb
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 14 February 08 18:26 GMT (UK) »
hello deb,
Mmmm, dont think so do you.!!!!  names are really different. was also looking at the other census to for bibby and dont think thats them either. the names for mine are unusual but not like these at all. the 1901 census from catone is them, but i dont think others are.  Roll Eyes
i  am definately starting to wonder about this lot. they just are'nt showing up anywhere or with any of the usual travelling families. quite a mystery.
not having any luck trying to trace birth certs for any of them either.  Sad
on the marriage certificates its not much help because it gives local area for where born and just lists the father as either thomas or tots webb/bibby. some have either surname. one of the brothers (thomas)  married in the name bibby with father as thomas bibby 29/05/1899.

thanks again though for looking for me ......wonder where they went?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 14 February 08 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Amanda ...

I just thought that maybe the William who was 7 ,may have been yours ...as he is with a dad named Thomas. His age was off by 4 years ... Undecided

Do you know of William Webb's aiblings at all?

Also while I was trying to figure out which Charlotte , Thomas Webb had married I found these other marriages ... Not sure if these have any relevence, but they are kinda coincidental.

Sarah Webb, same Page Thomas Webb 1863, Dec q , Royston Essex

Thomas Webb , same page  Sarah Pearse 1854 , Royston

I was wondering if Thomas Had married either of these 2 first as I could only find a marriage of Thomas Webb to a Charlotte Osborne in 1861, walson , Essex.

I also have a very large Gypsy family ...so I know what it's like not to find them... Undecided

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Re: william webb
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 14 February 08 19:40 GMT (UK) »
hi deb,
yes posted williams (1891-1963) siblings on ''post number 8'' of this chat.
apparently his parents are william and sarah webb both with a father thomas webb m; 23/06/1890.
ahhh now im with you.....you mean william 1867-1913, siblings. no i do not know those.  Embarrassed

some how the name bibby was used by some of the children of william, 1891.

he was only 46 when he died so he really didn't have much time to father children from 1891-1913 from his first born till the last born and also marry a couple of times, did he?Huh Roll Eyes plus he married in 1890 aged 22 so if he did marry it must have been before 1890 and i think after about 1882ish when he would have been about 15yrs. so i think we can safely say that it wasn't him in 1854 to sarah pearse or 1863 to sarah webb.

but if he did marry then it was  to possibly either ''pearse or bibby''  between 1882-1890 and thats at the outside and giving him plently of leeway, lol but i dont think there was a charlotte, or at least i haven't yet heard that there is one!!! Wink

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