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« on: Monday 11 February 08 10:55 GMT (UK) »
My Mother's paternal Grandfather, William Chidgey Newick (b Bristol 1851 - 1903) married Lois Rebecca Duckworth (b Leicester 1872 - ?) sometime in the 1890's.

This was his second marriage - his first wife Jane (surname unknown, b Bristol 1851 - ?) died also in the 1890's)

We have found a death record for a Lois Rebecca Newick of 1898 – is this her?

The dilemma is that William and somebody had 4 children - Ivy Blanche L 1892 - 1994) William Christmas (1893 - ?) Louis Wilfred Gladstone (1895 - 1886) and Frederick Victor Harcourt (? – 1863 - my Grandfather)

Are these 4 children from the union of the first or second marriage or a bit of both.?

As a bit of a twist before dying Ivy told her Niece, Kathlean Dixey (still living) that she had a bit of a secret, but unfortunately never divulged it!!

Can anyone help please. Also can anyone fill in the missing dates - BMD and surname of Jane
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Re: We have a problem
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 February 08 10:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi sft,

Marriage Dec 1872 Bristol
William Chidgey Newick to possibly Jane Speed 6a 7

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Death?

Jane Newick December 1898 Leicester Vol 7a Page 153 age 48


Cant see one for Lois in 1898, did you mean this one?  Undecided
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« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Strange enough, I can see William and Jane in 1891 without any children - would they have started making kids at 40+?  Undecided

I can't see a marriage for Lois Rebecca Duckworth  Undecided Bit mysterious!

If they belonged to me, I'd get hold of one of the children's birth certs! Tongue  
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Wait! Have you found the kids in 1901? They seem to be called Milne, with mum Lois Rebecca well alive! RG13/2976 7 6  Huh
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:38 GMT (UK) »
I was just going to post that one Tanya, whats going on??  Undecided

Is that the secret maybe??
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« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:45 GMT (UK) »
She's Lois R Duckworth in 1881 RG11/3159 Folio 97 page 27 with parents Henry and Eliza + siblings

and in 1891 with parents RG12/2524 Folio 147 page 41
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:46 GMT (UK) »
Maybe he never married Lois

Is he the William Newick, widower, aged "45", traveller for printer's firm b Bristol who is a lodger in Norwich in 1901?

RG13/1840 folio 46 p42

I know this would understate his age, but his age was also understated at death (Dec 1904 West Ham aged 49)

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London: Pierce
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« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: CatOne on Monday 11 February 08 11:45 GMT (UK)
She's Lois R Duckworth in 1881 RG11/3159 Folio 97 page 27 with parents Henry and Eliza + siblings

...and still with parents in 1891:  RG12/2524 folio 147 p41


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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #9 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Did she ever marry a Mr Milne either?? Cant' find a marriage  Undecided
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Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
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« Reply #10 on: Monday 11 February 08 11:54 GMT (UK) »
I see Ivy's birth as Newick, but struggling to find the rest of the children:

Ivy Blanche L Newick Sep 1892 Leicester 8a 242
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 11 February 08 12:08 GMT (UK) »
Same here!  Huh
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« Reply #12 on: Monday 11 February 08 12:11 GMT (UK) »
Very mysterious

Louis' birthdate is given as 3 July 1895 on his death entry:

Louis Wilfred G Newick aged 90, Feb 1986 Leicester Central 6 2406
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 11 February 08 12:12 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: sft456 on Monday 11 February 08 10:55 GMT (UK)
Frederick Victor Harcourt (? – 1863 - my Grandfather)

Presumably this is a typo for 1963 - but I don't see his death in 1963 or 1964 on the full listings at findmypast Huh

Did he die overseas?

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #14 on: Monday 11 February 08 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Okay thanks for all your replies

These are the facts as far as we can tell:

1 Wlliam Chidgey Newick (b 1851 - 1903/4) married (1) 12/1872 Jane ? (1851 -  ) both born in Bristol

2 William married (2) Lois Rebecca Duckworth (b Leicester 1872 - 1943?) in Leicester

3 children born Newick with the dates as previously shown (2 are recorded, William and Frederick were given to me by their Niece Kathleen - Fred may have died in 1962 but certainly in Harpenden, Herts where he and his wife lived

4 I have seen a William/Lois marriage record dated 1892 on Ancestry somewhere but can't remember where

What we want to know is:
1 When did Jane die?
2 When did Lois marry William?
3 Who is the mother of the 4 children?
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