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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #120 on: Friday 13 March 09 22:48 UTC (UK) »

I do agree it symbolises something special, if only we can establish the link between both Rachels. One other research method will be to trawl through memorial inscriptions around the early and middle 18th. century. Regards stoop.
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #121 on: Sunday 22 March 09 17:05 UTC (UK) »

kerr marriage  10 12 1833 james kerr and sarah pattie were proclaimed on the 8th and married on the 10th december 1833        children agnes 03 02 1837 troqueer   george 15 09 1849 terregles james 11 06 1847 troqueer jane 07 11 1843 mouswald john 03 09 1854 terregles martha 05 01 1852 terregles mary 09 01 1839 troqueer sarah 28 12 1842 troqueer thomas 28 04 1845 troqueer william 29 12 1840 troqueer     death james kerr farmer married to sarah phillips pattie november 18th 1874 63 yeards father thomas kerr farmer dec. mother mary kerr m/s slater  cancer of the face william kerr son present nov20th 1874     terregles schoolhouse john a carse registrar    1877 june 6th sarah phillips kerr widow of james kerr farmer 65 years father william pattie farmer dec. mother agnes pattie m/s dickie     congestion of the liver one month general debility   james kerr son st helens lancashire    csc
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #122 on: Sunday 22 March 09 17:12 UTC (UK) »

ontario canada marriages     george kerr 24 father james kerr mothers name sarah pattie kerr spouse name jessie mcburnie spouse mother jane ferguson mcburnie marriage 22aug 1873 york occupation carpenter  jessie mcburnie 23 dumfries scotland james and jane ferguson mcburnie  canada  death george kerr dec.17th 1917 66 years  cancer of the tongue 1 year occupation farmer married father thomas kerr witness  looks like mm kerr monk road    mount pleasant cemetery   south crosby  csc
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #123 on: Sunday 22 March 09 17:17 UTC (UK) »

john kerr age 16  1871 grocers app     1891 grocer cargenbridge wife margaret 35 john 36 james 6 jane 4 hugh 2 sarah 5 months    1901   grocer shopman cargenbridge john 46 margaret 45 james 16 jane 14 hugh wallace kerr 12 sarah 10 david john 8  margaret 5                 the name wallace with kerrs again    csc
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #124 on: Sunday 22 March 09 20:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi csc, John Kerr and Mrgaret Wallace were my great grandparents, parents of my grandfather Hugh Wallace Kerr who married my grandmother Ada Smith who was born in Keighley, Yorkshire. Referring to your posting before about the children of my g.g. grandparents James Kerr and Sarah Pattie in particular George who was born in 1849, I cannot think why I ldo not have a record of him, I have concerning all the others. Therefore I will add all the details you have given me. Do you have information regarding all the other children if not I will inform you with what I have. Regards stoop.
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #125 on: Sunday 22 March 09 21:42 UTC (UK) »

i dont have much about them but if you send what you have i might pick up something i was looking at that family as i know some of the places mentioned and i think some kerrs are in terregles churchyard right behind the old school which is now ajoiners place i am at terregles quite often is newbridge farmhouse on the hardthorn road i got georges birth from scotlands people and the canada one from ancestry csc
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #126 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 10:39 UTC (UK) »

Good morning csc, the following relates to the children of James Kerr and Sarah Pattie who were married on the 10/12/1833 at Mouswald.

Jane was b. 7/11/1834 at Pearmont farm Troqueer on the Goldielea estate. She married John Mckinnell on 1/1/1855 at Newbridge farm Newbridge Terregles.

Agnes wasb. 3/2/1837 at Pearmont. She married James Kerr 27/3/1860 at Newbridge farm.

Martha was b. 5/1/1852 at Newbridge farm. she married James Riddick 8/12/1885 at Shambellie Grange New Abbey.

Sarah was born 28/12/1842 atPearmont farm. She married John Mcfaden 16/7/1877 at Newbridge farm.

William was born 29/12/1840 at Pearmont . He married Jane Hannah 1/12/1863 at Troqueer.

David was b. 1/6/1852 at Newbridge . He married Janet Hill 24/2/1881 at Beyond the Burn Mouswald.

John was b. 3/9/1854 at Newbridge .He married Margaret Wallace 6/3/1884 at Sutherland Terrace Maxwelltown.

Thomas was b. 28/4/1843 at Pearmont He died single 15/2/1867 suddenly.

James was b. 11/6/1849 at Pearmont Who did he marry?.

George was born 15/9/181849 atNewbridge. Who did he marry?.

More information to follow regards stoop.
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #127 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 11:02 UTC (UK) »

was having a look at he cemetery in ontario where george was buried was unable to access names on graves site currently unavailable hundreds of kerrs and mcburnies in ontario no wonder we cant find them here am still looking csc
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #128 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 10:34 UTC (UK) »

Sorry for butting in but Newbridge Farm is on the Glasgow Road nearly opposite the road into Lochside.  The farmer there is a Roddy Dickson, he has stables there as well.  As far as I know the Dickson family have been there for a very long time.  In fact if you go into the Ewart Library there is a photograph on the wall of his father in his charabanc bus.

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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #129 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 11:47 UTC (UK) »

Kathgill, any ideas on Roddy Dickson's ancestry? his parents or grandparents names?
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Dumfries -Campbell, Dickson, Glendinning, Grierson, Irving, Jardine, Wells, also Beattie, Brown, Buckham, Charters, Dalrymple, Fell, Ferguson, Fraser, Gibson, Graham, Hutchison, Leivers, Nichol, Mckenzie, Nicholson, Smith, White, McLean
Kirkcudbright - Dickson, Broun/Brown, Shennan
Glasgow-Dickson, Neilson, Thomson, Fleming, Mackenzie, Dennison
Edinburgh- Dickson, Buckham
Ayrshire-McIlwrick, McMurray, Gray, Findlay
Limerick - Shea / O'Shea, Carroll
Kerry - Egan
Sussex - Towner
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #130 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 16:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi Kathgill, perhaps you can resolve my confusion, firstly looking at o.s. map Newbridge farm is on the a76 to Sanquhar road and Newbridge hamlet is beyond the farm. Secondly I know that the Kerr family tenanted Newbridge farm from 1851 to the 1960s. I have attempted to make contact with a Kerr relative who lives in Newbridge village his house is built in the grounds occupied by a cottage that housed a farm worker of Newbridge farm. I also know that there was Hardthorn farm tenanted by another Kerr family member that is near Lochside on the map. I do not think the farm exists any more but was likely to have been along Hardthorn Road. It was last tenanted by the Kerrs in the 1950s. I do hope you can help regards stoop.
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #131 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 19:51 UTC (UK) »

Hi Stoop.  The Dickson family have farmed at Newbridge farm for a long time.  I had an Aunt and Uncle who farmed at Knowhead which was a neighboring farm and they were friends with the Dicksons.  I really don't know anything about the Kerr's but they certainly were not tenants in the 1940s to 1960.   I can't think of any Kerr's who farmed in that area around the 1960s  I was a member of the local Young Farmers Club around the mid 1960s and knew a lot of the local farmers but can't recall the name of Kerr.  Hardthorn Farm is no longer a farm a lot of the land was sold off for housing a long time ago.   The house is still there though.  If I can find any more information I will get back in touch
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #132 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 21:42 UTC (UK) »

Good evening Kathgill, I can shed more light on the Kerr tenancy of Newbridge farm. Taken from the valuation rolls in 1859 James Kerr was paying 168 pounds a year in rent, later his son David was paying 147 pounds a year in 1895. The owner was Constable Maxwell of Terregles then a Herbert Constable m. Stuart. I cannot say for certain when the Kerr family gave up Newbridge. Perhaps this will help to fit the pieces together . The kerrs left Hardthorn in the 1950s. Regards stoop.
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #133 on: Sunday 29 March 09 04:44 UTC (UK) »

there seems to be quite a few kerrs married to kerrs i see agnes who is probably named after agnes dickie her grandma  married to joseph kerr the blacksmiths son  who is likely a distant relative csc
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Re: Cleughbrae , mouswald
« Reply #134 on: Sunday 29 March 09 19:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi .Christeen I have tried to find details of Agnes and Joseph without success , have you got them?. Thanks Roger.
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