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mickdickson
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Hi Stoop and csc,
As to James D and Martha K, I have James b 3 Nov 1809, marrying in Jun 1842. Martha born c 1820 d 30 May 1851. I believe James died 21 Sep 1854 in New York. Their son James b. 27 May 1845, d. 4 Jan 1846. They also had as you've noted Thomas, Robert and Mary b 1849. James Sr was born to James Dickson (1769 or 1771 - 1843) and Mary Gracie (1772-1829), she was born in New Abbey and this where they married. They had 12 children, I have wondered about this family as the childrens names are so close to my own Dickson line. It is possible that James (1769 or 1771) was the first son of my 4G Grandfather Richard as I have a five year gap bet. his marriage to Elspet Dickson in 1768 and the birth of the first recorded child in 1773, its possible James (1769) was born elsewhere other than Mouswald as his poss. parents married in Caerlaverock.
As to William Kerr and Mary Dickson, I don't have anything on them at all sorry. May have to dig deeper.
Sorry csc, was not aware that we had corresponded before, my bad. Yes I am the culprit re the MI booklets. I haven't seen them so didn't know my name was emblazoned in them. Having now checked the soft copy I have of them MIs, I found the two were refer. I think as you said with hindsight that the Hutchison name is not connected to the Swan family but to Thomas Kerr and Mary Hutchison which keeps it all in the parish.
I have another Dickson/Kerr family...James D and Mary Kerr or Margaret Ker. Nine children between 1800-1821, all born in Mouswald:
Thomas 1800, Robert Grierson (1802), James (1805), Janet (1808), William (1810), John (1813), Jean (1816-1888, married John Boyes), Elizabeth (1816), Charles (1821).
I'll turn this into a Dickson discussion yet...lol
Mick
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Dumfries -Campbell, Dickson, Glendinning, Grierson, Irving, Jardine, Wells, also Beattie, Brown, Buckham, Charters, Dalrymple, Fell, Ferguson, Fraser, Gibson, Graham, Hutchison, Leivers, Nichol, Mckenzie, Nicholson, Smith, White, McLean
Kirkcudbright - Dickson, Broun/Brown, Shennan
Glasgow-Dickson, Neilson, Thomson, Fleming, Mackenzie, Dennison
Edinburgh- Dickson, Buckham
Ayrshire-McIlwrick, McMurray, Gray, Findlay
Limerick - Shea / O'Shea, Carroll
Kerry - Egan
Sussex - Towner
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mickdickson
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Wrt James D the Builder who died in NY 1854, its possible he took the kids with him as he may have had family there. Working on the premise he is related to my line of Dicksons, his poss. cousin also James (b1812, Blacksmith) went to NY about 1851 or earlier, lost his wife Elizabeth Edgar there in 1852, also another poss. cousin Jane Dickson (1832 - 1899) who married Charles Jardine (1825-1874 Mason) whose first wife was Margaret Kerr (1830-1849) as previously mentioned went to NY in about 1851 as well. I can't find James kids in the 1861 census although by then they would have been spread to the winds possibly if they stayed.
More intriguing thoughts...
Mick
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Dumfries -Campbell, Dickson, Glendinning, Grierson, Irving, Jardine, Wells, also Beattie, Brown, Buckham, Charters, Dalrymple, Fell, Ferguson, Fraser, Gibson, Graham, Hutchison, Leivers, Nichol, Mckenzie, Nicholson, Smith, White, McLean
Kirkcudbright - Dickson, Broun/Brown, Shennan
Glasgow-Dickson, Neilson, Thomson, Fleming, Mackenzie, Dennison
Edinburgh- Dickson, Buckham
Ayrshire-McIlwrick, McMurray, Gray, Findlay
Limerick - Shea / O'Shea, Carroll
Kerry - Egan
Sussex - Towner
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stoop
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Good evening Mick , its all fascinating stuff, prompting so many questions. Relating to William Kerr and Mary Dickson perhaps finding their resting place will provide some answers. I do not know how James Dikson and Mary Kerr sneaked under the radar, I simply have not spotted them before. It would appear that Mary or Margaret was born around the middle 1770s, and more than likely in Mouswald. In one way as we go further back there are fewer people to study and given that there are tangible documents around we might be able to further identify their roots. Thanks for the likely scenario that James had relations in America. Whatever became of the poor children losing both their parents over four years . Regards stoop.
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mickdickson
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csc,
From your last posts, the following are in my Dickson lines, Richard and Elspet Dickson being my 4G Grandparents:
"margaret daughter to richard dickson and elizabeth dickson in mouswald town looks like dec 21st baptized 26th 1773"
"john son to richard dickson and elspeth dickso in mouswald town born july31st baptized aug4th 1776."
No more info has been found on Margaret, she is the first recorded child and John was a Blacksmith in the Mouswald village and died in 1856. He married Isabella Gibson and they had one son, Robert born in 1800 who married Janet Irving about 1823 (no record found). Janet was the dau. of Thomas Irving and Janet Rogerson.
I have not been able to go beyond Richard and Elspeth as we have not found descendants in Scotland or any that have done any research on them. There is no record of Richard & Elspeths burial anywhere. Our link with Mouswald died with my grandfather in 1935. So I've been pushing the proverbial up hill since I started 4 years ago from scratch.
I have most if not all the Dicksons you mention in research spreadsheet as I try to piece them together.
Mick
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Dumfries -Campbell, Dickson, Glendinning, Grierson, Irving, Jardine, Wells, also Beattie, Brown, Buckham, Charters, Dalrymple, Fell, Ferguson, Fraser, Gibson, Graham, Hutchison, Leivers, Nichol, Mckenzie, Nicholson, Smith, White, McLean
Kirkcudbright - Dickson, Broun/Brown, Shennan
Glasgow-Dickson, Neilson, Thomson, Fleming, Mackenzie, Dennison
Edinburgh- Dickson, Buckham
Ayrshire-McIlwrick, McMurray, Gray, Findlay
Limerick - Shea / O'Shea, Carroll
Kerry - Egan
Sussex - Towner
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mickdickson
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Charlote and Jean are mine as well. Richard and Elspeth had at least 7 recorded kids plus possibly the James we have mentioned before. Thomas Dickson b 1790 was my 3G Grandfather, the last child I have recorded.
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Dumfries -Campbell, Dickson, Glendinning, Grierson, Irving, Jardine, Wells, also Beattie, Brown, Buckham, Charters, Dalrymple, Fell, Ferguson, Fraser, Gibson, Graham, Hutchison, Leivers, Nichol, Mckenzie, Nicholson, Smith, White, McLean
Kirkcudbright - Dickson, Broun/Brown, Shennan
Glasgow-Dickson, Neilson, Thomson, Fleming, Mackenzie, Dennison
Edinburgh- Dickson, Buckham
Ayrshire-McIlwrick, McMurray, Gray, Findlay
Limerick - Shea / O'Shea, Carroll
Kerry - Egan
Sussex - Towner
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mickdickson
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Hi Stoop,
No I don't think that Richard is not the son of Rev. Jacob. His Richard went to the US and died in Indiana in 1835, He was Richard Lothian Dickson born 14 May 1767 in Mouswald.
However I haven't parents for the Richard you mentioned yet though so it may come to pass that it is the same one.
Mick
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Dumfries -Campbell, Dickson, Glendinning, Grierson, Irving, Jardine, Wells, also Beattie, Brown, Buckham, Charters, Dalrymple, Fell, Ferguson, Fraser, Gibson, Graham, Hutchison, Leivers, Nichol, Mckenzie, Nicholson, Smith, White, McLean
Kirkcudbright - Dickson, Broun/Brown, Shennan
Glasgow-Dickson, Neilson, Thomson, Fleming, Mackenzie, Dennison
Edinburgh- Dickson, Buckham
Ayrshire-McIlwrick, McMurray, Gray, Findlay
Limerick - Shea / O'Shea, Carroll
Kerry - Egan
Sussex - Towner
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mickdickson
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oops I meant 'Hi csc'
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Dumfries -Campbell, Dickson, Glendinning, Grierson, Irving, Jardine, Wells, also Beattie, Brown, Buckham, Charters, Dalrymple, Fell, Ferguson, Fraser, Gibson, Graham, Hutchison, Leivers, Nichol, Mckenzie, Nicholson, Smith, White, McLean
Kirkcudbright - Dickson, Broun/Brown, Shennan
Glasgow-Dickson, Neilson, Thomson, Fleming, Mackenzie, Dennison
Edinburgh- Dickson, Buckham
Ayrshire-McIlwrick, McMurray, Gray, Findlay
Limerick - Shea / O'Shea, Carroll
Kerry - Egan
Sussex - Towner
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mickdickson
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Csc,
I have found on the RootsWeb World Connect Project that Richard L. Dickson married a Rachel Lowry in 1825 in the US, he would have been 57 or so, therefore he could bethe same one that was married to Jean Latimer, and moved the family to the US where Jean dies or even after she died in Scotland  and he remarries and has another family. All supposition of course.
Mike
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Dumfries -Campbell, Dickson, Glendinning, Grierson, Irving, Jardine, Wells, also Beattie, Brown, Buckham, Charters, Dalrymple, Fell, Ferguson, Fraser, Gibson, Graham, Hutchison, Leivers, Nichol, Mckenzie, Nicholson, Smith, White, McLean
Kirkcudbright - Dickson, Broun/Brown, Shennan
Glasgow-Dickson, Neilson, Thomson, Fleming, Mackenzie, Dennison
Edinburgh- Dickson, Buckham
Ayrshire-McIlwrick, McMurray, Gray, Findlay
Limerick - Shea / O'Shea, Carroll
Kerry - Egan
Sussex - Towner
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