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« on: Saturday 16 February 08 14:17 GMT (UK) »

I'm considering joining the Berks FHS.

However, I've had a look at their website and I'm not sure what benefits members who don't live in the area would enjoy (i.e I wouldn't be able to get to meetings, talks or even to their research library).

As a non member, I've paid for marriage name searches and I've invested in the Burial Index CD and a couple of their parish record transcriptions.

Can anyone who is already a member explain what they offer to members over and above what's on offer to the general public? e.g I can see no sign of them offering a 'borrowing library' for members similar to that on offer at the Bucks FHS and GS.

I would just emphasise that I'm not in any way 'having a go' at the FHS - just curious to know what's on offer.

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Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 February 08 14:53 GMT (UK) »

Most FHSs were set up in the 1970s and were based around like-minded enthusiasts in a particular area, where the benefits were that you could meet other 'addicts' once a month or so, to swap notes and take part in projects. Societies produced journals that were of particular benefit to members who had ancestral interests in the area, but did not live locally. This was a great way to plug in to local expertise, and exchange information with other 'remote' researchers.

All this of course was before the Internet age, when you can now do things very quickly online that were simply not possible before. Societies now have websites, and some have embraced the digital age more wholeheartedly than others, but you make a valid point, what is the benefit of joining if you don't live in the area? It's not the fault of the societies (I have no special insight into Berkshire or most other societies), but many of them are Registered Charities, which means that they have to be careful about any privileges that members have over non-members in the form of discounts etc - I'm sure legal eagles will correct me if I'm wrong on this.

So the benefits to a 'remote' member would be the journal, and what you might call the 'networking' aspect of a a society. And being a remote member means that you will escape being roped into committees and making the tea at meetings  Grin. People also join societies to contribute, and take part in indexing and other projects in an area where they have an interest.

Having said all that, I'm not currently a member of any society, although I have served my time in the past, honest!

Does that help?

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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16 February 08 15:15 GMT (UK) »

I agree with Mean-genie that the only advantages for the remote member of BFHS are the journal, which is above average in my opinion, and the networking possibilities.

As a member who lives in Berkshire the search room which is in the same building as the Reading Registry Office and next door to the Record Office is very useful.  The society has six branches in the county each of which hold monthly meetings.

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DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 February 08 16:08 GMT (UK) »

Thanks both.

I really wasn't trying to make a point about the benefits of joining if you don't live in the area - really!!  Grin

I realise that the networking aspect of the FHSs is very important - from being a member of 2 or 3 in my time, I just get a bit fed up with fellow members who take the trouble to send in their name interests to be printed in the jounals and then don't bother replying when people (like me!) contact them. Still, that's human nature - not the FHS's fault!

From the Berks FHS website, it seems that even the member's interests can be accessed by non members!!

I shall have to give this some more thought!!  Roll Eyes

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John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 February 08 20:32 GMT (UK) »

The member's interests are available to non-members in terms of contacting those who have registered their surname interests. However, non-members cannot register surnames. This is surely the best service Berks FHS can offer their members - restricting contacts to members only would massively reduce the chances of being contacted by a fellow researcher.

Another membership benefit is a members-only email discussion list.

There is a problem with the Charity Commission rules that makes it difficult to offer too much in the way of membership benefits - the Inland Revenue also get involved when Gift Aid is claimed.
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 February 08 00:20 GMT (UK) »

Jill

You asked a specific question but you raised an important and much wider issue, which is the role of family history societies in the modern world. In their heyday, the societies played an crucial and pioneering role in enabling people to research their family histories. there were hardly any books on family history, so they wrote and published their own; there were very few indexes so members got stuck in and compiled them (without computers!). Societies built up relationships with record offices, to their mutual benefit, and much more.

Now the Internet has opened up family history research to a much wider audience than we could ever have dreamed of, and I am worried that many societies haven't kept up with the pace of change. I am very pleased to hear that Berks FHS has a members-only e-mail discussion list, because I think this is exactly the sort of thing that societies should be doing. It's great to go to meetings and meet other researchers face to face, but most people start out on their research online these days, and are entitled to ask exactly the same question as you, why should they join a society?

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 February 08 09:44 GMT (UK) »

The other point to be aware of is that even today many of the new transcriptions being available, particularly those of local content are carried out by Family History Societies.

We are talking about BFHS who are currently involved in parish register transcriptions, local BMD transcriptions and gravestone recording.  Some of these can be carried out by remote members.  For example the BMD transciptions being done by BFHS are being done from digital images which they provide on CD.  Getting involved in these activities is a good reason for joining your local FHS even if you have very few local family interests.

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Living in Berkshire.  Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 February 08 10:12 GMT (UK) »

That's really good to know. There's no substitute for local knowledge, particularly on some kinds of records, and even if you are on the other side of the world you can learn so much from taking part in projects. And I'm sure there's no shortage of people wanting to join in - I know there are several Rootschatters helping to indexing pages from the Irish BMD indexes, and I expect there are others working on FreeBMD and more. All it needs is the people in the area with access to records, ie the societies, to organize it.

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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 February 08 12:48 GMT (UK) »

A valid point - about volunteers for transcribing.

I have volunteered my services to an FHS which I've recently joined - but so far, no one's taken me up on it!

In my experience, Berks FHS are pretty good. Not as good as some (Bucks FHS and GS, Oxon FHS spring to mind) but much better than most. 

One point I would like to make about the Berks FHS - and I don't know if they're held back by lack of cooperation by the local records office/archives (that particular bugbear has been covered at length in another thread, but I can't find the link just at the moment) - but their parish register coverage is not too good. Baptisms in particular are virtually impossible to find if they're not on the IGI, unless you want to pay rather a lot for Berks Records to search - even then, if you're not sure of the parish, you can end up paying £20+ for a nil return (I found that out the hard way  Cry) )

Since this seems to have turned into a discussion about FHSs in general - I know the FHSs all rely on volunteers, so it's difficult to be critical but I have one criticism of a lot of them. Perhaps it's just a personal gripe and other people find them vastly informative - but why do so many resources seem to be chanelled into producing books of Monumental Inscriptions?

When I first started FH, I invested in a few local ones - and I didn't find a single MI for any of my ancestors. Surely, most of them are going to be very recent (older ones tend not to have survived) so there are other ways of finding these more recent ancestors (censuses). Also, if you do venture back into 18th century and earlier, you'll tend to find that the only ones to survive are those of more well-to-do people. Again, these people tend to be easier to find in other documents (wills). If, like me and I suspect the vast amount of us, your ancestors were mostly ag labs in the south and weavers/labourers in the north, you're going to be very lucky indeed to find an MI for them.

I know that some of these monuments are in a bad state and should ideally be recorded before they disappear altogether but, as FHSs have limited resources, shouldn't they be using them to concentrate on PR transcriptions and other documents (settlement orders etc) which would be of value to just about everyone?

Just thought I'd throw that into the arena - I'm sure lots of people will disagree!!  Cool

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Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 17 February 08 12:57 GMT (UK) »

Two thoughts.

Recording MIs is a day out in the open air and so a complementary activity to transcribing.

As prviously discussed on other threads BFHS have huge restrictions on their PR transcribing due to the constraints that the records office places.  These restrict the number of people who can make themselves available to transcribe and also what they can do with the results.

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Living in Berkshire.  Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 February 08 14:12 GMT (UK) »

Hi David,

I'm sure MI recording can be a very enjoyable exercise - my point was not so much the activity as the resources being put into it which could be channelled elsewhere.

I know there has been a lot of talk about the constraints placed on the FHS by the Archives/Archivist but what I don't understand is why this seems to apply to baptisms more than it does to marriages and burials - both of which are covered (but not completely) by searchable databases at the FHS? Does anyone know if Berks FHS have any plans to start a Baptisms Database - I can't see any sign of it on the appropriate page of their website? What are 'Birth Briefs'?  Huh

Jill

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Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 February 08 14:20 GMT (UK) »

Birth briefs are trees of about four generations submitted by members showing all their direct ancestors.

The reason that BFHS has a much larger marriage index is that it inherited a lot of it from work done long before the current record office regime partly in the original churches.

David
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Living in Berkshire.  Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 February 08 14:34 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for the info, David.

This current regime at the Berks Record Office is causing an awful lot of ill feeling, isn't it? I suppose the best we can hope for is that it comes to an end very soon and a more enlightened incumbent takes the decision to share a bit more information with us, the general public.

But then, perhaps that wouldn't earn them as much income as they must derive from charging people like me £20+ for 'nil returns'!!  Roll Eyes

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Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 February 08 17:05 GMT (UK) »

Jill

I think that you answered your own point about recording MIs, in that they are unusually vulnerable to the depredations of time, while most other records will still be there in a few years. But it's not just a question of choosing to put resources into MIs at the expense of other projects, in my experience. In a former life I was for a while the Project Co-ordinator for a rather small FHS, which has a very impressive collection of MI transcriptions. The main reason for this was one very dedicated and inspirational individual who led an intrepid team through many a churchyard and was also rather good at chatting up vicars and getting permission. Meanwhile I was trying to drum up volunteers for other projects, which was like drawing hens' teeth most of the time. It was always a mystery to me why people would happily hack through wet undergrowth, squinting at barely-legible and barely-accessible indentations in stone, while I struggled to find people willing to sit at home or in a nice warm record office occasionally, with some lovely transcription sheets and fairly easy-to-read registers.

My own particular favourite records are those of the Poor Law, which says rather a lot about my ancestry. I am very fortunate in that the those records have been very well-indexed where many of my ancestors come from, and if I were rstill involved with indexing projects these are the ones I would be lobbying for.

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Re: Berkshire FHS
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 February 08 19:12 GMT (UK) »

This current regime at the Berks Record Office is causing an awful lot of ill feeling, isn't it? I suppose the best we can hope for is that it comes to an end very soon and a more enlightened incumbent takes the decision to share a bit more information with us, the general public.
The 'problems' are in many cases non-existent - the BRO have been very supportive of Berks and Oxon FHS transcription efforts - in many cases loaning microfiche copies of registers. They do restrict use of original registers - to protect them from wear - but most transcripts are checked against the originals. They even opened the record office on a number of Saturdays to allow transcribers in to work through the overseers records (and joined in the transcribing).

But then, perhaps that wouldn't earn them as much income as they must derive from charging people like me £20+ for 'nil returns'!!  Roll Eyes

The trouble with nil returns is that it seems they are charging for nothing - in reality they are charging for the time taken to fail to find the information. Ironically it often takes longer to not find than to find.

My only real problem with the BRO is the charging scheme for photography - I can photograph a complete book of 100 pages at TNA using a camera stand they provide - for no charge. At the BRO it is £2 per image. Bucks RO charges £5 to allow camera use during a visit - which seems a reasonable compromise, although I obviously prefer the TNA system.

For info Berks FHS is working on a Christenings Index - but it is a slow process.
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