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Topic: Baptist BMD Records - Advice Needed Please (Read 861 times)
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Valda
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I got a very useful 'French death certificate' from the Foreign Returns but it was very pot luck on searching the indexes such as they are. Also one irregular marriage so far from The Fleet marriages and Mark Herber's indexes.
http://www.francisboutle.co.uk/booklist/marriage2/index.htm
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Valda
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'Pot luck' is about right for those indexes in RG43 (I remember when they were books in the Long Room at Chancery Lane  ), they even contain references to records that aren't in TNA any more because they were returned to the GRO decades ago!
Did you know that quite a number of RG7 entries, mainly marriages but some baptisms, have been added to the IGI relatively recently? They are not always easy to identify, but there are thousands of them, in batches starting with I, but with no other source details.
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Don't forget the constant sound of running water near the staircase, too.
There isn't a great deal hugh Wallis could do with the 'I' batches, because there are no descriptions for them whatsoever under 'Source Information', and the body of the entry usually just says London, or even worse, Westminster!
RG7/102-110 and 121-127 are indexed as identifiable 'M' batches, but that still leaves over 100,000 entries ie 50,000 or so marriages, allowing for duplicates and forgeries.
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I'm not sure that the "I" batches haven't been added since the Hugh Wallis site was last updated - like others of us it's beginning to show its age!
David
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I think you're probably right. There are certainly things in other 'I' batches that I know weren't here before, because I'd been looking for them.
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hi all
many thanks for your comments & advice, i,m not sure john was a baptist, but as i have been unable to find his birth in the st albans area, have checked the 4 saints parish records, i began to wonder if he might be a baptist purely because his son john who went to aus, belonged to the jireh baptist church.
John senior married henrietta bearup in london c1823, although the i.g.i say in hertfordshire c1827, it was a submitted entry, so not sure how they came bye their info,
will carry on searching, loathe to let this rest, of course it may be that he was not registered at all, so unless i can find a clue somewhere, i,m equally stuck
once again thank you
regards marcie
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anthony.rowbottom.doggett. hertfordshire.
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Valda
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Have you checked the Bishops Transcripts for St Peter St Albans since there are other Doggett baptisms at the same time including one who in the censuses is a bricklayer like John? Have you checked for wills?
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For the BTs yes, for wills you can just email Hertfordshire Record Office. All county ROs have their wills indexed.
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Valda
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The "My Ancestors Were Baptists" book by Geoffrey R Breed, (Society of Genealogists) ISBN 1-903462-52-5, contains lists of what Baptist records are deposited where.
For St Albans, this appears to be virtually nothing.
St Albans, Dagnall Lane, (founded 1675), Births & Burials for just the short period 1822-1837 are in RG4/674 at TNA, but that seems to be about it, so far as I can see.
They are also the only St Albans Baptist registers recorded as held at HALS at Hertford (PC26/2)
Unless anyone knows otherwise, of course (!)
As an aside, I'm interested if anyone has been successful in finding records for any of the Baptist Chapels in, or surrounding Tring, Herts. I'm particularly interested in New Mill Baptist, where it seems some of the records were in private hands at one point.
Many thanks,
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John married Henrietta in Hornsey.
Henrietta Bearup
John Doggett
1823
Hornsey, Middlesex
Marrying out of area may indicate a dislike of the local Anglican church or just that both or one of them were indeed of the parish at the time (and not just the three weeks of necessary residency to marry).
Stefan
What sort of Baptists was New Mill? I did manage to find the minutes of the local Baptist church I was interested in (Strict) but that was all that survived and then only for a few years.
http://www.baptisthistory.org.uk/basicpage.php?contents=familyHistory&page_title=Family%20History
which wiil also give you the email address of the 'Strict Baptist Historical Society'.
From my experience of non-conformist registers the Society of Friends (Quakers) were superb record keepers, and the Baptists, on a scale of record keeping - and probably just as importantly survival of such records, languish at the bottom of the scale.
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Valda
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Stefan What sort of Baptists was New Mill? I did manage to find the minutes of the local Baptist church I was interested in (Strict) but that was all that survived and then only for a few years. http://www.baptisthistory.org.uk/basicpage.php?contents=familyHistory&page_title=Family%20Historywhich will also give you the email address of the 'Strict Baptist Historical Society'. From my experience of non-conformist registers the Society of Friends (Quakers) were superb record keepers, and the Baptists, on a scale of record keeping - and probably just as importantly survival of such records, languish at the bottom of the scale. Regards Valda
I must plead guilty to getting very confused about my 'flavours' of Baptists.
I have no excuse really - my grandfather was a Baptist minister. 
So far as I'm aware New Mill, Tring was 'Particular' Baptist Chapel, which I think, but am not certain is the same as 'Strict'. (I know people broke away from it to form "less strict" alternatives!).
I'll be honest though, I've not so far tried to approach the chapel directly recently, about retained records.
Some years back I chased the then minister a couple of times, who seemed to know little of any records, but promised to get someone to contact me who might.
I was never contacted, failed to chase it up, and believe that minister moved on.
Clearly I need to try again with the chapel, before trying to locate records elsewhere.
I do know one of the other Tring Baptist Chapels, (Akeman Street, where my grandfather was once minister), has a record of burials after a certain date, but apparently little on births to members, and nothing on marriages, (or at least not for dates when a civil registrar would have to have attended the wedding).
An extract I have from the burial records has been most useful with one of my surnames, and quite few of my ancestors are buried there.
Anyway, I'm hi-jacking a thread for something unrelated, so will stop!
Stefan
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